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WHAT IS THE CONCENCUS OF THE BEST MIRRORLESS CAMERA, CANON R5 OR EQUIVILENT SONY.
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Jan 14, 2023 17:05:10   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.


If you are changing from DSLR to Mirrorless you need to look at the future not just the present - or the past. Canon and Nikon were top dogs in their day but they got caught on the wrong foot when the world started to go mirrorless. Canon and Nikon are both trying to diversify away from cameras. They are struggling to stay relevant instead of leading the way.
Sony is expanding into cameras. Sony is thought of as an electronics company. However, it is primarily an entertainment company through its gaming, movie and music holdings. Sony has a 'cradle to grave' approach to imaging. Sony produces highest quality professional movie, TV, broadcasting and recording equipment covering everything from image capture through to projection on to the silver screen. The technical advances from their high end equipment is filtered down to their consumer products such as their mirrorless cameras. It is a world leader in the production of sensors for cameras and cellphones. Sony lenses are being recognized as some of the best currently available.
Nikon's imaging products division appears to enjoying a turn around, but it was in serious jeopardy for a couple of years having failed miserably to meet its targets for the first two years of its 3 year turn around plan. Nikon was racing to get out of imaging in favor of medical and industrial applications. Its policy was to extract every yen it could out of its customers including by eliminating independent repair shops.

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Jan 14, 2023 17:08:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cahale wrote:
Wouldn't it be better how you are perceived by what's hanging on your wall?


That is the reality of photography related purchases: the images you create with them.

For many, there is little correlation between equipment ownership and photographic output quality, and that can be a multi-thousand dollar frustration leading to equipment languishing in a closet until the owner dies. In some other cases, photographers punch far above their weight classes with equipment they simply know how to use.

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Jan 14, 2023 17:13:37   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
gvarner wrote:
You will get opinions, not a consensus.


Yes, you will, because that's exactly what consensus means.

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Jan 14, 2023 17:17:58   #
jst226 Loc: Philly
 
I will be buying a Sony A7RV very shortly because of the AI auto-focus, high pixel count, and the ability to use my current Canon L lenses and other vintage lenses in my collection with auto-focus and non-auto-focus adapters. I have been a Canon user for 20 years. Read all of the Sony reviews on Youtube. One news group had 100 comments of which 90% said they would only buy Canon and the other 10% Sony . That being said, no camera is perfect! Go to a camera shop shoot and handle both A7RV and Canon R5. I am pro-Sony products and staying with them.

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Jan 14, 2023 17:38:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
repleo wrote:
If you are changing from DSLR to Mirrorless you need to look at the future not just the present - or the past. Canon and Nikon were top dogs in their day but they got caught on the wrong foot when the world started to go mirrorless. Canon and Nikon are both trying to diversify away from cameras. They are struggling to stay relevant instead of leading the way.
Sony is expanding into cameras. Sony is thought of as an electronics company. However, it is primarily an entertainment company through its gaming, movie and music holdings. Sony has a 'cradle to grave' approach to imaging. Sony produces highest quality professional movie, TV, broadcasting and recording equipment covering everything from image capture through to projection on to the silver screen. The technical advances from their high end equipment is filtered down to their consumer products such as their mirrorless cameras. It is a world leader in the production of sensors for cameras and cellphones. Sony lenses are being recognized as some of the best currently available.
Nikon's imaging products division appears to enjoying a turn around, but it was in serious jeopardy for a couple of years having failed miserably to meet its targets for the first two years of its 3 year turn around plan. Nikon was racing to get out of imaging in favor of medical and industrial applications. Its policy was to extract every yen it could out of its customers including by eliminating independent repair shops.
If you are changing from DSLR to Mirrorless you ne... (show quote)


Canon has been broadly diversified within the imaging industry for years. They make tons of office equipment in addition to broadcast and motion picture video gear. I don't see them struggling any time soon.

Panasonic Lumix is another company to watch in this industry, now that they have introduced gear with Phase Hybrid Autofocus. Panasonic have long been known for their high end video gear and hybrid stills/video cameras, along with consumer electronics of all kinds — rice cookers, TVs, small appliances, bicycles, audio... They are partnered with Leica on various lens, camera, and microprocessor projects such as their new L-squared engine in the S5 Mark II. They partner with Sigma and Leica in the L-Mount Alliance. The user community is very loyal, mostly because Lumix listens and adds requested features with each new generation. The full frame S5 Mark II is a great example of that. FINALLY, PDAF in a Lumix!

Fujifilm is strong in the APS-C and Medium Format digital formats. Their 100 MP GFX100 is a great value, the 40MP XT-5 is highly refined, and their lenses are excellent. Fujifilm is one of the few companies to make its own sensors, as well as films and photo papers. As with Panasonic Lumix, the user community is very loyal, mostly because Fujifilm listens and adds requested features with each new generation.

OM Digital Systems is the phoenix grown from the sale of Olympus' camera division. It has been given a new lease on life with the wildly successful OM-1 and other new OM-series models. They share the Micro 4/3 lens mount with Lumix.

Sony took what was left of Konica-Minolta and turned it into a powerhouse digital camera brand. They've applied their digital video and sensor technology to the game, and advanced rapidly. They were five years behind Panasonic and Olympus in developing serious interchangeable lens digital mirrorless cameras, but about that far ahead of Canon and Nikon, so their success has come quickly. With a big R&D surge, they've kept the Canikon wolves away, and put a bit of a hurt on Nikon.

Despite the doom and gloom of the last decade due to the rise of the smartphone, camera companies have mostly right-sized themselves and struck partnerships that keep them efficient and profitable. We are the winners, due to the shifting balance of competition and rapid development of new technologies. This should be a good year for that competitive innovation.

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Jan 14, 2023 18:11:54   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
jst226 wrote:
I will be buying a Sony A7RV very shortly because of the AI auto-focus, high pixel count, and the ability to use my current Canon L lenses and other vintage lenses in my collection with auto-focus and non-auto-focus adapters. I have been a Canon user for 20 years. Read all of the Sony reviews on Youtube. One news group had 100 comments of which 90% said they would only buy Canon and the other 10% Sony . That being said, no camera is perfect! Go to a camera shop shoot and handle both A7RV and Canon R5. I am pro-Sony products and staying with them.
I will be buying a Sony A7RV very shortly because ... (show quote)

Also on my wish list for your reasons as well as 8K video.

bwa

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Jan 14, 2023 18:47:37   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.


The newest Panasonic full frame that’s coming this spring! s5 11 I think

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Jan 14, 2023 18:57:21   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
jst226 wrote:
I will be buying a Sony A7RV very shortly because of the AI auto-focus, high pixel count, and the ability to use my current Canon L lenses and other vintage lenses in my collection with auto-focus and non-auto-focus adapters. I have been a Canon user for 20 years. Read all of the Sony reviews on Youtube. One news group had 100 comments of which 90% said they would only buy Canon and the other 10% Sony . That being said, no camera is perfect! Go to a camera shop shoot and handle both A7RV and Canon R5. I am pro-Sony products and staying with them.
I will be buying a Sony A7RV very shortly because ... (show quote)


As a Canon shooter and Sony owner, the AF of the adapted lenses is no where as good as the native Sony on Sony, or native Canon on Canon. You'd be better served staying or dumping, not hybrid.

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Jan 14, 2023 19:12:41   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bonjac wrote:
We are talking about quality not quantity.


So was I ...

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Jan 14, 2023 20:34:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
davyboy wrote:
The newest Panasonic full frame that’s coming this spring! s5 11 I think


The S5 II is available late this month. The S5 IIx, a more video-centric version, will be released in May.

The S5 II has been reviewed dozens of times on YouTube by many good review sites. Consensus is, it is the best all-around $2000 full frame body you can order at the moment. Well over 100 lenses are available from FIRST party suppliers Leica, Panasonic Lumix, and Sigma, and other suppliers.

I'd at least give it a look, although if sports or wildlife is your main subject matter, the S5 II may not be your pick. But you might spend a LOT more to get great sports and wildlife performance.

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Jan 14, 2023 20:49:40   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Then why when I started with UHH many years ago Nikon fanboys spent every other post bashing Canon for constantly changing lens mounts and other Canon failures?
In spite of Canon selling 10-1 over Nikon.


Nikon users are big meanies.

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Jan 14, 2023 20:54:59   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Mama Bear984 wrote:
I can only speak to switching from Nikon to Fuji.
I looked at Sony & at the time it’s wasn’t for me & still isn’t.
Just didn’t like the rendering of the jpegs.


Jpegs?

Of a high end camera?

That gear is intended to shoot RAW, not crappy 8-bit obsolete jpegs.

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Jan 14, 2023 21:47:22   #
ELNikkor
 
Mac wrote:
Nikon users are big meanies.


(just don't tell my cat)

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Jan 14, 2023 21:57:18   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
A big investment in Canon here also. My two cents. Odds are tthat if you shoot the same subj withe high-end Sony and a Canon of equal quality, display them, you would be hard pressed to id their source.

Imalso own an R5, and other Canon bodies and lens.j

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Jan 14, 2023 21:58:53   #
ELNikkor
 
Go Canon!

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