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WHAT IS THE CONCENCUS OF THE BEST MIRRORLESS CAMERA, CANON R5 OR EQUIVILENT SONY.
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Jan 14, 2023 14:02:47   #
gwilliams6
 
xt2 wrote:
OK, Sony it is then. All other brands need to stop making cameras.


We need ALL makers to keep producing their best cameras and lenses. Great competition keeps them all innovating and we all win.

I am always for a healthy camera industry ,without any one brand having total domination. We have great gear from many makers. It is up to each individual as to what brand and/or model fits their needs and budgets best.

I have loved all the cameras I have used, Kodak, Polaroid, Miranda, Minolta, Pentax, Konica, Mamiya, Bronica, Plaubel, Dierdorf, Hasselblad, Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji, DJI, Nikon, Canon, Sony.

Cheers and best to you.

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Jan 14, 2023 14:23:02   #
MJPerini
 
I am a Canon user I'm waiting for the Canon R5II because I Have tons of lenses & 1DsmkIII and 2 5D4's
Sony Makes great sensors and cameras and at this moment has the newest camera in that class. Canon just launched the R6 II so the R5 II will be along. If you have Canon lenses I might wait for the R5 II Canon's Adapters work really well and adds the control ring feature to older lenses. If you plan to sell your lenses the look at both.
There are small differences in ergonomics and some features between the cameras.
You will not be 'Camera Limited' by either.

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Jan 14, 2023 14:26:01   #
bonjac Loc: Santa Ynez, CA 93460
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Check your logic. Canon has maintained 45+% of the global camera market for now 20+ years. Today, still bigger than both Sony and Nikon combined. Every EF (and EF-S) lens from day-1 in 1987 operates on all mirrorless EOS bodies, via the EF-RF adapter. Canon can't make native RF lenses fast enough to work without the adapter. It is Canon that has "more" lenses, both in unique designs and options in the used market as they build out their in-high-demand new mirrorless options. Sony FanBoyz make a lot of noise, and post a lot of image litter, but the market still speaks the truth.
Check your logic. Canon has maintained 45+% of the... (show quote)


We are talking about quality not quantity.

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Jan 14, 2023 14:32:46   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DebAnn wrote:
You question really won't get you anywhere. There are probably very few people who own or have used all the good mirrorless cameras currently available. You will only get their view on the one they own. You need to read a bunch of good reviews and choose for yourself.


Some of the folks who truly know this are the folks at http://www.dpreview.com. There are many YouTube reviewers with independent channels who cover the latest models. Never just read or watch one review! "Crowd source" their findings and opinions. Here are just a few, in no particular order:

Kai Wong https://www.youtube.com/@KaiManWong

Lok Cheung https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lok+cheung

Hugh Brownstone https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=three+blind+men+and+the+elephant

Geeky Nerdy Techy https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Geeky+Nerdy+Techy

Micro Four Nerds https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Micro+Four+Nerds

Camera Conspiracies https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Camera+Conspiracies

Gerald Undone https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gerald+undone

Max Yuryev https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIgQ...

The Camera Store TV https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCamer...

Peter Gregg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi8E...

Potato Jet https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNJe...

The Hybrid Shooter https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-0c...

Tony and Chelsea Northrup https://www.youtube.com/user/VistaClues

DSLR Video Shooter https://www.youtube.com/user/dslrvide...

Richard Wong https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+wong

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Jan 14, 2023 14:33:50   #
SIMIBILL
 
Thank you all for your wealth of opinions and information.

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Jan 14, 2023 14:34:56   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
TriX wrote:
You won’t benefit from a Chevy vs Ford discussion on UHH - everyone will tout their favorite, which is invariably the one they own. Instead, drive as far as necessary and try both cameras at a brick and mortar store. Decide which feels best in your hands, which has the most intuitive controls and ergonomics, which menu system you feel most comfortable with and has the specific features you want. The fact is that either Canon or Sony or Nikon all make full frame cameras that will deliver outstanding results. Personally, I’d buy the R5 because it’s the best fit for ME and my inventory of Canon glass, but that may not be the right choice for YOU.
You won’t benefit from a Chevy vs Ford discussion ... (show quote)

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Jan 14, 2023 14:40:46   #
SIMIBILL
 
Thank you all for your opinions and wealth of information.
I am now very much considering purchasing Sony instead of Canon.

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Jan 14, 2023 14:46:29   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
When you do settle on the perfect mirrorless, do remember that hundreds if not thousands of megapixels are recommended if you want to be credible and capable.

The new Sony A7MkXb9A1000 should be out any day now....

Or just to be equivalent to the human eye...

bwa



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Jan 14, 2023 15:15:52   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Not so with my Sony bodies and my E-mount lenses vs my former Canon and Nikon DSLR cameras and lenses, and I have owned dozens of those DSLR cameras and DSLR lenses over the decades, and yes that includes my 5D MkII and many of your same Canon DSLR-designed lenses.

Full disclosure, I did keep one of my many Canon DSLR-designed lenses, the superb Canon TS 17mm f4 Shift-Tilt lens. It is DSLR lens big and heavy, but I use it occasionally as a specialty lens with the MC-11 lens adaptor for architectural ,product, and some landscape shots where the Tilt-Shift can be of help.

I will never go back to any integrated grip bodies again also like in some of the Canon and Nikon fullframe mirrorless pro cameras. Sony allows me to choose when I might want to use that extra battery grip, but for most situations I can go without the extra grip, and that also saves weight.

Cheers and best to you.
Not so with my Sony bodies and my E-mount lenses v... (show quote)


Agree the 17 TSE is one of the best. I own one and it is a beast.

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Jan 14, 2023 15:21:03   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
I don't think the point should be one company is better than the other because for one reason they make fifty more different lens than the other. I think the point should be does the company that you are interested in make the lens that your style of shooting requires. You are not going to buy fifty lens simply because your chosen company makes them. You are only going to buy the lens that you need.
In my case, I am a Nikon shooter. Nikon makes well over fifty lens but I have only one. So the fact that Nikon makes all those other lens to me is a nonitem.

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Jan 14, 2023 15:23:06   #
gwilliams6
 
This thread is about mirrorless cameras, really not about DSLR cameras.

One certain fanboy loves to tout Canon's share of the total camera market, but beneath those numbers is the fact (verified by the CIPA numbers, and re-stated by many independent reviewers) the fact that half of Canon's total camera sales are in DSLRs offerings where it still dominates sales in all DSLR formats.

There is another brand that leads in total mirrorless sales and has always led in total mirrorless sales both worldwide and in the key North American market. And this other brand also leads worldwide in fullframe camera sales (DSLR or mirrorless) , and again it isn't Canon.

This other brand invented the fullframe mirrorless camera and created this new segment of the marketplace that now dominates the professional landscape, and it wasn't Canon. But some cant handle the facts and the reality.

No one brand dominates on having the ONLY good cameras though nowadays, as there aren't really any totally bad cameras surviving in this shrinking camera market today. Well maybe still a few bad ones, but they are easy to spot and avoid. LOL

So look at the facts, compare the features and performance; check out the reviews and comparison videos from that list of youtubers that BurkPhoto linked; consider which two brands, their camera lineups and systems of fullframe mirrorless cameras and lenses the top news services have switched to for all their staff photographers and staff videographers worldwide in the past 24 months (hint: they didn't choose Canon mirrorless).

Then try some of them out yourself if you can, and then make your own decision which gear suits you best. That matters more than anything anyone says here, including from me. LOL

Cheers and best to you all.

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Jan 14, 2023 16:27:22   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
This thread is about mirrorless cameras, really not about DSLR cameras.

One certain fanboy loves to tout Canon's share of the total camera market, but beneath those numbers is the fact (verified by the CIPA numbers, and re-stated by many independent reviewers) the fact that half of Canon's total camera sales are in DSLRs offerings where it still dominates sales in all DSLR formats.

There is another brand that leads in total mirrorless sales and has always led in total mirrorless sales both worldwide and in the key North American market. And this other brand also leads worldwide in fullframe camera sales (DSLR or mirrorless) , and again it isn't Canon.

This other brand invented the fullframe mirrorless camera and created this new segment of the marketplace that now dominates the professional landscape, and it wasn't Canon. But some cant handle the facts and the reality.

No one brand dominates on having the ONLY good cameras though nowadays, as there aren't really any totally bad cameras surviving in this shrinking camera market today. Well maybe still a few bad ones, but they are easy to spot and avoid. LOL

So look at the facts, compare the features and performance; check out the reviews and comparison videos from that list of youtubers that BurkPhoto linked; consider which two brands, their camera lineups and systems of fullframe mirrorless cameras and lenses the top news services have switched to for all their staff photographers and staff videographers worldwide in the past 24 months (hint: they didn't choose Canon mirrorless).

Then try some of them out yourself if you can, and then make your own decision which gear suits you best. That matters more than anything anyone says here, including from me. LOL

Cheers and best to you all.
This thread is about mirrorless cameras, really no... (show quote)


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Jan 14, 2023 16:33:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
Interesting idea. But there are some significant problems with this methodology:

Searching for such a company is like searching for a unicorn. It is not clear that any still remain with the evolution of the market. Leitz was a prototypical fine camera company. Now they remain a force in non-photography optics. Their pricing once reflected the quality of the fine cameras. Today they maintain camera manufacture as more a cultural image thing where outrageous prices are an essential plus.

Evolution of the market is driving companies from a dwindling market. Clearly cameras in mobile phones are siphoning sales to an entirely different rapidly growing market leaving your investment in a brand in jeopardy. Olympus who is a major force in medical optics withdrew but were able to move their brand to a different company.

It in the nature of corporations to conceal insight into their investment and profitability of their various business so how do you determine which companies meet your criteria.

I think the “my brand is better than yours” discussions in this forum are driven by the belief that investment in “better” will improve their photography. Alas a new camera only complicates and delays learning the really important artsy fartsy stuff like composition and lighting as well as technical stuff like exposure and focus. And eventually mastering post processing and presentation which artistically and technically seal the deal.
Interesting idea. But there are some significant p... (show quote)


Then why when I started with UHH many years ago Nikon fanboys spent every other post bashing Canon for constantly changing lens mounts and other Canon failures?
In spite of Canon selling 10-1 over Nikon.

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Jan 14, 2023 16:53:38   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
Thank you for your detailed and very informative reply. The added benefit of reading your reply is that it reinforced that when I switched to a full frame, mirrorless camera I made the right choice; Sony.

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Jan 14, 2023 16:57:20   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
bsprague wrote:
At that level, it is not going to matter.

I have a friend that was trying to buy a new SUV. She had it down to a BMW and a Mercedes. They looked about the same to me. She was struggling through features, specifications and performance. I asked her what she thought she wanted to be seen driving in downtown Helena, MT. She bought the Benz.

Camera brands are like that. None at the high end will make significantly different images. It will matter more how you are perceived when other photographers see what you have hanging from your neck. Will you be seen as a traditional Canon expert or a skilled Sony technical pioneer.
At that level, it is not going to matter. br br ... (show quote)


Wouldn't it be better how you are perceived by what's hanging on your wall?

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