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WHAT IS THE CONCENCUS OF THE BEST MIRRORLESS CAMERA, CANON R5 OR EQUIVILENT SONY.
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Jan 14, 2023 11:54:32   #
Mama Bear984 Loc: Langley, BC Canada
 
I can only speak to switching from Nikon to Fuji.
I looked at Sony & at the time it’s wasn’t for me & still isn’t.
Just didn’t like the rendering of the jpegs.

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Jan 14, 2023 12:01:49   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
bamfordr wrote:
“ Sony has been making cameras and lenses for decades”

2006 Sony bought the DSLR operations from Konica-Minolta (which had been formed in 2003 with the merger of Konica and Minolta.).


Yes, and the availability of using the great Minolta lenses on all Sony models with the auto focus adapters is wonderful! I have a Minolta 85mm f1.4 lens that is incredible for its romantic portrayal of portraits. I could have gone to Zeiss, Tamron, Sigma, Sony, and a few others for the 85mm. This older Minolta lens beats them all with its color rendition!
But Sony had been making cameras long before this purchase!

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Jan 14, 2023 12:10:34   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Just like the Canon mount remained exactly the same from their 1st SLR until the EF mount yet Nikon fanboys to this day say Canon kept changing mounts.
So using the Nikon fanboy logic Nikon has about 9 mount changes.
Prove me wrong.


That’s weak.

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Jan 14, 2023 12:21:06   #
MDI Mainer
 
It would be nice if the Admin developed an algorithm that automatically deleted any post that begins "What is the best brand of . . . . "

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Jan 14, 2023 12:22:16   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
It would be nice if the Admin developed an algorithm that automatically deleted any post that begins "What is the best brand of . . . . "


No one is forcing YOU to read any of these. Please move on.

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Jan 14, 2023 12:44:50   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.

I'd buy Sony because I'm a Sony user and have been since 2003; however, buy whatever suits your needs. If you like Canon, go for it. If you like Nikon and Panasonic, go for it.

bwa

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Jan 14, 2023 12:46:20   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.


You question really won't get you anywhere. There are probably very few people who own or have used all the good mirrorless cameras currently available. You will only get their view on the one they own. You need to read a bunch of good reviews and choose for yourself.

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Jan 14, 2023 13:21:19   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Dont expect ANY consensus here in UHH, LOL.

Everyone will just trumpet their favorite brand and/or the brand they are loyal owners of.

Here is my two cents, and I expect pushback from fanboys of different brands, no problem.

I was a longtime Nikon, Canon and Leica pro user for nearly five decades as a professional photojournalist shooting all subjects around the world including war coverage, then I moved over to Sony mirrorless back In January 2017 and have no regrets. I am also a longtime Professor of Photographer at a state university, having taught hundreds of students in my courses in Photojournalism, Digital Photography, and yes even 35mm B&W film photography. I have both my BFA Degree and Master's Degree in Photography.

Back in 2017, Sony was the ONLY maker with fullframe mirrorless cameras. Sony's A7III success helped push Nikon and Canon into coming out with their own fullframe mirrorless cameras.

IMHO as much as Canon and Nikon have gotten better with their fullframe mirrorless releases, Sony still has the more extensive and proven fullframe mirrorless system and lineup by far.

The Top News Services in the world have all gone to mirrorless cameras in the past 24 months for their staff photographers and staff videographers worldwide.

Associated Press, UK Press, Canadian Press, all Gannett Media including USA Today have gone exclusively to Sony fullframe mirrorless for their staff photographers and staff videographers worldwide. They are using Sony A1, A9II, A7RIVa, A7RV, A7IV, A7SIII, FX3, FX6.

AFP (Agence France Presse) helped develop and test the Nikon Z9 and they use the Z9 for their staffers worldwide.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

https://petapixel.com/2022/01/31/canadas-largest-news-organization-moves-exclusively-to-sony-cameras/#:~:text=Canada's%20Largest%20News%20Agency%20Moves%20Exclusively%20to%20Sony%20Cameras,-Jan%2031%2C%202022&text=The%20Canadian%20Press%2C%20the%20largest,provider%20for%20the%20media%20company.

https://petapixel.com/2022/06/09/how-pro-photographers-helped-make-the-z9-from-prototype-to-flagship/

The latest weekly sales from Japan's top camera dealer network, Yodobashi , has the following models as their top ten best sellers:
1) Sony A7IV
2) Sony A7RV
3)Sony FX3
4) Nikon Z9
5)Sony A7C Kit
6) Nikon Z50 Kit
7) Sony A7IV kit
8) Sony ZV-E10
9) Fuji X-T4
10) Fuji X-S10

The Sony E-mount is the most widely produced and most widely used mirrorless lens mount in the world. There are over 200 native E-mount mirrorless-designed lenses from Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Tokina, Zeiss, Viltrox, Yongnuo, Meike and others.

Canon has chosen to prohibit third-party lens makers from making any more RF-mount lenses. Already Canon mirrorless sales are down, as photographers around the world react to this restrictive move by Canon. I know this to be more than speculation as I administrate and moderate several Facebook photography groups and many folks around the world have said they have moved away from Canon R cameras for that reasons. Even Canon stalwart youtube reviewers now admit Canon's move is hurting their R series sales.

IMHO, sometimes when you get so big and successful like Canon ,you can lose sight of how best to grow your base.

Nikon has chosen like Sony to open up its Z-mount to Tamron and other third-party lens makers allowing its users to have more affordable and extensive Z-mount lens choices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_Sony_E-mount_lenses

I have owned Sony A6500, A7RII, A7RIII, A7III, A9, and currently own Sony A7RIV, A1, A7SIII . i currently have 13 native E-mount lenses covering 10mm to 600mm from Sony, Sigma and Tamron. i have no personal desire to return to Canon or Canon mirrorless for my professional or personal use.

Use what brand you prefer and be happy. I am more than happy with my Sony gear. Canon sells more total cameras worldwide but half those sales are its DSLRs and compact camera sales. Sony sells no DSLRs. As for Mirrorless, Sony is #1 in the world in both total mirrorless sales and is #1 in fullframe camera sales (DSLR or mirrorless). Sony sells fullframe mirrorless models, A7, A7II, A7S, A7SII, A7RII, A7RIII, A7III, A9, A9II, A7C, A7SIII, A7RIVa, A7IV, A7RV, FX3.

Cheers and best to you.
Dont expect ANY consensus here in UHH, LOL. br br... (show quote)


Great post! Thanks.

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Jan 14, 2023 13:33:35   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.


You are about to receive the polarized advice/dialogue of owners of equipment which, they of course, believe is the best product because they own it. Head off to the camera shop of your choosing, rent whatever cameras you wish and make up your mind based on your preference not mine. I know, it takes a bit of work, but is worth it…this stuff is expensive! Cheers!

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Jan 14, 2023 13:35:18   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Doc Mck wrote:
You can’t beat the R5. With a simple adapter, whatever EF lenses you have will work. No third party lenses yet , but, you may not need new lenses. I have a 24-105 and a 100-400 r lenses and thinking have the bases covered. I also have a 1.4 TC I can use.


Of course you can “beat” the R5 in some categories and not so much in others or there would not be any other cameras! Cheers!

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Jan 14, 2023 13:36:40   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
tramsey wrote:
I have a close friend in San Antonio who is a photographer for AP. The day he told me that they went from Canon and gave him a kit with a Sony A7 IV and it twice the camera Canon was. It's IQ is unbelievable


At this price range, the opinion of the purchaser may be well intentioned, but pure bunk…these cameras all are wonderful tools. Cheers!

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Jan 14, 2023 13:38:16   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 


OK, Sony it is then. All other brands need to stop making cameras.

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Jan 14, 2023 13:45:23   #
gwilliams6
 
Effate wrote:
My experience is a bit different. Concerning size and weight, I have an R5 and although the native body may be a bit smaller than my previous 5DXX models when you employ a battery grip (much needed with the battery consumption) it is bigger and heavier. As to the wide angle lenses I have the 15-30 f2.8 and the 24-70 f2.8 which are almost identical in size and weight and I haven’t compared but would bet they are close to my previous 24-70 EF f2.8 and heavier and larger than my 16-35 f2.8. Now my RF 70-200 is definitely more compact than its predecessor. All this is just my experience and a hunch as I haven’t compared actual size and weight.
My experience is a bit different. Concerning size... (show quote)


Not so with my Sony bodies and my E-mount lenses vs my former Canon and Nikon DSLR cameras and lenses, and I have owned dozens of those DSLR cameras and DSLR lenses over the decades, and yes that includes my 5D MkII and many of your same Canon DSLR-designed lenses.

Full disclosure, I did keep one of my many Canon DSLR-designed lenses, the superb Canon TS 17mm f4 Shift-Tilt lens. It is DSLR lens big and heavy, but I use it occasionally as a specialty lens with the MC-11 lens adaptor for architectural ,product, and some landscape shots where the Tilt-Shift can be of help.

I will never go back to any integrated grip bodies again also like in some of the Canon and Nikon fullframe mirrorless pro cameras. Sony allows me to choose when I might want to use that extra battery grip, but for most situations I can go without the extra grip, and that also saves weight.

Cheers and best to you.

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Jan 14, 2023 13:52:19   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
When you do settle on the perfect mirrorless, do remember that hundreds if not thousands of megapixels are recommended if you want to be credible and capable.

The new Sony A7MkXb9A1000 should be out any day now....

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Jan 14, 2023 13:58:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
At that level, it is not going to matter.

I have a friend that was trying to buy a new SUV. She had it down to a BMW and a Mercedes. They looked about the same to me. She was struggling through features, specifications and performance. I asked her what she thought she wanted to be seen driving in downtown Helena, MT. She bought the Benz.

Camera brands are like that. None at the high end will make significantly different images. It will matter more how you are perceived when other photographers see what you have hanging from your neck. Will you be seen as a traditional Canon expert or a skilled Sony technical pioneer.
At that level, it is not going to matter. br br ... (show quote)


There's an old saying about car brands. If you want to be seen as wealthy, buy a nice Mercedes or BMW. If you want to be seen as intelligent, buy Lexus or Acura, because they are both nice AND reliable.

Bill's right, at the high end, they are all good. They are all subtly different, but I don't think the optical performance of any of the top mirrorless camera models will be a deal breaker. Even the best mid-priced cameras available can challenge the best photographers!

I think Canon made a huge mistake by limiting their mirrorless buyers to JUST Canon lenses. All the other brands seem to have allowed third parties to make lenses for their bodies. Indeed Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma are all "first parties" for each other. They share the same lens mount and all its electronics.

I would look at the latest from Canon, Fujifilm, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, and Sony. They are all good to exceptional at many things. The trick is to match the camera system to the subject matter you wish to cover.

There are plenty of reviews on YouTube, sites like http://www.dpreview.com, and others.

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