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Sep 26, 2022 22:44:36   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
redlegfrog wrote:
The science is settled! Trump can do no right and Biden can do no wrong. Every one knows that, every news paper and TV show will tell you just that. Don't waste your time reading and watching because deep down we all already know Biden is a superior human.
If you don't believe me just give him 4 more years in office and see how wonderful our world will become.

So I guess you don't know of any examples. I have no idea what you are ranting about otherwise.

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Sep 26, 2022 23:16:23   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I guess you missed these if you read the article:


I notice there is no source quoted.

What propaganda outlet did you get these opinions from?

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Sep 26, 2022 23:32:24   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I guess you missed these if you read the article:

Your examples do not confirm voter suppression in Georgia. First of all, they required each county to have a drop box for absentee ballots, and then specifies a number of additional drop boxes based on the number of registered voters. These drop boxes are now required to be indoors and only open during hours of early voting instead of outdoors in the middle of the night when anybody can stuff fake ballots into them. If that is voter suppression, then I want to move to Georgia. In my county we have a single building in downtown Cleveland in which you can drop off an absentee ballot. Like I said, in the old days there wasn't any such thing as a ballot drop box. Everybody had to show up at the polls on a single day.

The limited voting hours is a completely backwards conclusion. Georgia in fact expanded it's voting hours. Its old law said voting “shall be conducted during normal business hours on weekdays” and it required one Saturday to be open for voting before the election. The new law says that the time period should “beginning at 9:00 A.M. and ending at 5:00 P.M. on weekdays” but it allows for each county to expand this from 7:00 AM til 7:00 PM if they chose to. They have also added a mandatory extra Saturday for early voting and given each county the option of adding two Sundays also. This is ridiculously generous to the lazy voters. You can't go by what Biden said when he lied about voting hours in Georgia on multiple occasions. They have in fact expanded voting hours.

The next one says they made additional I.D. requirements. I won't even comment on that. If you think it is wrong to verify actual legal voters then you are just bu11$hi##ing me.

The last point on the blue card says "made it illegal to provide thse waiting in line with food or water." This is of course nonsense. The law forbids "election campaigners" (those annoying people who hand you literature at the polling place to try and get you to vote for their candidate) from providing food and water because naturally this is seen as a bribe. Anybody else, including election officials can provide as much food and water as they want. Besides, if you were to deny food and water to those in line, this would be discriminatory towards White people because Negros and other dark-skinned people survive better in the Georgia heat than do Caucasians.

Care to dispute any of that?

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Sep 27, 2022 03:34:22   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Fotoartist wrote:
This is not a newsflash. The 2020 election was not a secure and honest election. Most honest observing people know and understand that. In fact, anyone who thinks the 2020 election was not filled with fraud and illegalities aided and abetted by Democrats is the moron.


So in yuor world, anyone who is guided by evidence and observable facts (like Trump's complete wipeout in the legal system, for example) is a moron.

And I think anyone who rejects overwhelming evidence to support a fantasy is...well you know.

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Sep 27, 2022 06:27:22   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
There's a funny thing about the 2016 and 2020 elections. After 2016, Hillary had a 1000 reasons why she lost, none of which were her fault. In 2020, Trump had defeat snatched from victory and couldn't accept it. Neither could accept it. Both handled defeat very poorly in their own unique ways. Hillary caused damage in her own way. Boy, did she.

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Sep 27, 2022 08:07:02   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
This is not a newsflash. The 2020 election was not a secure and honest election. Most honest observing people know and understand that. In fact, anyone who thinks the 2020 election was not filled with fraud and illegalities aided and abetted by Democrats is the moron.


evidence please

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Sep 27, 2022 08:34:41   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
SteveR wrote:
There's a funny thing about the 2016 and 2020 elections. After 2016, Hillary had a 1000 reasons why she lost, none of which were her fault. In 2020, Trump had defeat snatched from victory and couldn't accept it. Neither could accept it. Both handled defeat very poorly in their own unique ways. Hillary caused damage in her own way. Boy, did she.


Hillary conceded. That is an order of magnitude of difference between the two.

Only one President in history did not support the peaceful transfer of power. That put Trump in a category of his own.

Trying to equate the two is the mother of false equivalencies.

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Sep 27, 2022 08:38:19   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Bazbo wrote:
Hillary conceded. That is an order of magnitude of difference between the two.

Only one President in history did not support the peaceful transfer of power. That put Trump in a category of his own.

Trying to equate the two is the mother of false equivalencies.


Hillary took back her concession by later claiming that Trump was not legitimately elected.

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Sep 27, 2022 08:57:24   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Hillary took back her concession by later claiming that Trump was not legitimately elected.


Got a source for that? I am pretty sure that if HRC had recanted, it would have been pretty big news.

BTW, do you know how many Presidents dod not attend the inaugural of the successor?

Here's a hint--Trump has something really important in common with one of them.

As for he peaceful transfer of power HRC did not file dozens of law suits or hatch a fake electors scheme or pressure SoS to overturn the election, did she?. Trump is the bone that stands alone.

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Sep 27, 2022 09:12:23   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Your examples do not confirm voter suppression in Georgia. First of all, they required each county to have a drop box for absentee ballots, and then specifies a number of additional drop boxes based on the number of registered voters. These drop boxes are now required to be indoors and only open during hours of early voting instead of outdoors in the middle of the night when anybody can stuff fake ballots into them. If that is voter suppression, then I want to move to Georgia. In my county we have a single building in downtown Cleveland in which you can drop off an absentee ballot. Like I said, in the old days there wasn't any such thing as a ballot drop box. Everybody had to show up at the polls on a single day.

The limited voting hours is a completely backwards conclusion. Georgia in fact expanded it's voting hours. Its old law said voting “shall be conducted during normal business hours on weekdays” and it required one Saturday to be open for voting before the election. The new law says that the time period should “beginning at 9:00 A.M. and ending at 5:00 P.M. on weekdays” but it allows for each county to expand this from 7:00 AM til 7:00 PM if they chose to. They have also added a mandatory extra Saturday for early voting and given each county the option of adding two Sundays also. This is ridiculously generous to the lazy voters. You can't go by what Biden said when he lied about voting hours in Georgia on multiple occasions. They have in fact expanded voting hours.

The next one says they made additional I.D. requirements. I won't even comment on that. If you think it is wrong to verify actual legal voters then you are just bu11$hi##ing me.

The last point on the blue card says "made it illegal to provide thse waiting in line with food or water." This is of course nonsense. The law forbids "election campaigners" (those annoying people who hand you literature at the polling place to try and get you to vote for their candidate) from providing food and water because naturally this is seen as a bribe. Anybody else, including election officials can provide as much food and water as they want. Besides, if you were to deny food and water to those in line, this would be discriminatory towards White people because Negros and other dark-skinned people survive better in the Georgia heat than do Caucasians.

Care to dispute any of that?
Your examples do not confirm voter suppression in ... (show quote)




Geez! Sounds like someone has missed his medication.

Please tell me... how many "fake ballots" were found in Georgia's last election that would have the GOP go to such extremes as to "hide" the ballot box indoors?

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Sep 27, 2022 09:19:30   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
SteveR wrote:
There's a funny thing about the 2016 and 2020 elections. After 2016, Hillary had a 1000 reasons why she lost, none of which were her fault. In 2020, Trump had defeat snatched from victory and couldn't accept it. Neither could accept it. Both handled defeat very poorly in their own unique ways. Hillary caused damage in her own way. Boy, did she.


There's a funny thing about Hillary vs Chump.

Hillary lost and went home with her tail between her legs. Crying about why she lost AFTER the election is pretty much what EVERYONE does to some extent... and not only in politics.

Chump lost and laid down in the street crying and screaming that EVERYONE conspired against him... it wasn't fair!
Chump REFUSED to accept the outcome and look where we are today.

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Sep 27, 2022 10:46:58   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
JohnFrim wrote:
That contention is as old and believable as a flat earth. I am surprised you have not fallen over the edge.


Sorry, yours is. Ask your neighbor what he thinks.

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Sep 27, 2022 11:38:21   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Sorry, yours is. Ask your neighbor what he thinks.


I can't ask my neighbour... he just fell off the edge when he made a wrong turn. I warned him about getting too close to that edge, but he didn't listen... stupid Repub!

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Sep 27, 2022 11:44:34   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Hillary took back her concession by later claiming that Trump was not legitimately elected.


And covid only killed 500 people, right. Show me where she tried to force her presidency on anyone.

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Sep 27, 2022 11:50:47   #
rwoodvira
 
Steven Seward wrote:


Care to dispute any of that?

Pretty much everything you said. I'll just hit Georgia with notes from the NY Times analysis of the Georgia law:

Voters will now have less time to request absentee ballots. (The problem here is they need a photo government ID;
I don't have a problem with this, but many people of color work during the day and do not have the ability to go and get the ID during the workweek. This can be abrogated by having issuing cavities to be open longer than normal government hours).

There are strict new ID requirements for absentee ballots. (See above)

It’s now illegal for election officials to mail out absentee ballot applications to all voters. (This was during COVID - if a new plague comes along - that's a problemm.)

Drop boxes still exist … but barely. (The drop boxes were moved from areas readily accessible to voters of color - also not having ballot boxes available out side eliminates the ability of these workers depositing their ballots after they work).

Mobile voting centers (think an R.V. where you can vote) are essentially banned. (See above)

Early voting is expanded in a lot of small counties, but probably not in more populous ones. (i.e. not available in wards that are black or brown).

Offering food or water to voters waiting in line now risks misdemeanor charges. (because the poll sites are limited in black & brown areas - the lines are often long and cause the potential voters to be out waiting for hours).

If election problems arise, a common occurrence, it is now more difficult to extend voting hours.

With a mix of changes to vote-counting, high-turnout elections will probably mean a long wait for results.

Election officials can no longer accept third-party funding (a measure that nods to right-wing conspiracy theories).

With an eye toward voter fraud, the state attorney general will manage an election hotline. (now not an independent body).

The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board. (now not an independent body).

The secretary of state is removed as a voting member of the State Election Board.

The G.O.P.-led legislature is empowered to suspend county election officials. (now not an independent body).

Runoff elections will happen faster — and could become harder to manage.

I'm sure the above won't convince you - but that's on you, not me.

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