Ralanco19

The mirrorless was just one of the innovations. The point is, ALL the other camera improvements (MUCH improved sensors, continuous shutter speeds per second, compact size/lightness, “evaluating exposure” pre-shooting rather than pre-test shots, improved processors, etc.) is where all the current engineering has been going. New engineering and improvements to all these OTHER camera elements both slowed than ceased altogether on DSLR’s. I’ll always keep loving my DSLR’s, but am envious of all the other improvements that keep being incorporated into each new iteration of mirrorless cameras. Mirror or no mirror was just the tip of the iceberg. ALL the other engineering now makes the mirrorless the king of the hill and DSLR’s more and more Model-T’s by comparison.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Some of the "passion" is just sarcasm...

Take Paul (Chg_Canon) for example. In spite of his constant praise for mirrorless, if you check out his Flickr pages you'll see that he's actually shooting mostly with a DSLR (Canon 5D Mark III)... at least recently. Yes, he has a mirrorless too (Sony a7II), which it appears he tends to use with adapted lenses. He even has some film SLR (Canon EOS 1V) scanned images up there!

The truth is, it largely depends upon what you shoot. For many things a DSLR will serve just fine. Landscapes, portraits, architecture, macro... no problem. A DSLR might even be preferred. But for other purposes a mirrorless may be a better choice. For example, the latest mirrorless autofocus systems are pretty amazing. If shooting fast action such as sports and active wildlife, you can concentrate on composition and timing your shots... pretty much leaving it up to the camera to maintain focus. The extreme frame rates possible with many mirrorless also can be helpful getting the shot you want with fast moving subjects. A $1500 Canon R7 can shoot at 15 frames/sec with its mechanical shutter or 30 fps with its electronic shutter. The fastest DSLR Canon ever made is the $6500 1DX Mark III, which can rattle off 16 frames/sec with its mechanical shutter or up to 20 fps with its e-shutter (Live View mode). That's comparing an APS-C camera (R7) with a full frame camera (1DXIII) though. A more direct replacement for the 1DXIII is the EOS R3, with a more similar pro-style body (built in vert grip) and using the same large battery. The R3 is a little less expensive ($5999), a little smaller and lighter weight, not quite as fast with its mechanical shutter (12 fps) but faster with its e-shutter (30 fps). The R3 also is the first Canon to use a stacked/BSI sensor for ultra fast data readout to prevent rolling shutter issues.

You are 100% correct, though. Who cares what's used, so long as you get the shot you want!

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

You let the cat out of the bag!

jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America

Shutter? What shutter?

For my professional work I didn't use a shutter in more than 5 years. Just electronic global "shutters" (which are no shuttern anyway... just a mosfet gate and a capacitor memory per pixel which - by the way - is the same mosfet)

Technology advances exponentially... in 10 years, it won't be possible to buy cars with driver seats, everybody on board will be passengers.

reverendray

Well there is always someone who "knows what they have is the best." Albeit the "best" changes quite quickly these days and frankly one of the reasons you get resistance is the old camera shop in most towns are gone. There is not the "stop and talk cameras" unless in a city large enough to survive not having the film/enlargement business to keep the going.
I first ran into the mirrorless when the Sony full frame first came out. It was "forced on me" due to my Nikon D810 was in for work and it was their loaner. I am simply still not "unhappy" with the nikon but as it gets older am looking for the time I can sell it all and afford the sony outfit I want to get. BTW the sony was much better in low light and also stabilization than the Nikon...

BebuLamar

Now I don't like mirrorless but I do like the shutterless feature.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

I would hope they are not without shutters.

You don't want the sensor to be exposed to the local light environment ALL the time. Suppose you lay your camera down on a table outdoors, lens up. Sunny day. The sun is going to burn a line on your sensor as it travels across the sky. You need SOME protection.

BebuLamar

Oh the Z9 doesn't have a shutter for timing the exposure but does have a protective shutter. However, it only covers the sensor when the lens is removed. So it's a dust protector not a sun burn protector.

James May

Yes and in the future Nikon will not service DSLR cameras. they already won't look at a D700

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

Makes absolutely no sound. Kind of spooky, but a sound can be added! I think you'd like the Z9 if you tried one. It's mirrorless done right. Loads of features. Kind of a D850, combined with a D6, but on steroids. Best of luck.

James May

I traded most of my DSLR equipment in and got the Z9 love it.

jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America

Yeah, right... but you don't need a sophisticated titanium millisecond shutter for that, it could be a simple and cheap aluminium sliding plate that closes when the sensor temperature rises above some point OR if you press the lens release button (to avoid dust, I really truly hate dust).

NO camera has that features

BebuLamar

I think the shutterless feature is a brave Nikon first but few people talk about it. So far I haven't heard about any rolling shutter effect with the Z9.

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

The sensor protection comes on, if you set it to, when the camera is shut off. If a lens is removed while the camera is on, there is no such protection. I've been using the Z9 since the end December and have obtained a second one as well. I don't know everything, but I know quite a bit. My comments are from actual use. Best of luck.

from SB

Yes, I know someone already asked you this already, but I am sorry to trouble you to tell me/us the benefit of mirrorless cameras over DSLRs. I promise I will google this and do my research too, but I respect your opinions and I'd appreciate it if you could help me with this. Thank you kindly in advance.