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I agree with Chg-Canon here. Bikin, you really dont know the fact that removing that mirror allows for vastly superior autofocus taken DIRECTLY off the sensor. That has been a complete game-changer for sports, action and wildlife shooters.

Bikin you need to do better research, you are stuck in false generalizations.

Cheers

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

I believe we agree on two things. Yes, a person (actually anyone) can make false generalizations, which apparently I have done. That is very common among otherwise competent mechanics when troubleshooting electrical problems. Oftentimes the most obvious cause isn’t the actual cause.

The second thing we agree on is that modern upscale mirrorless cameras have a definite advantage when it comes to shooting something like a fast paced basketball game.

I’m now asking if all the advantages they have when shooting action gives any advantage when shooting something slower paced, like a glacier or mountain? I’m not being a smart ass, I really want to know.

Remember that I said mirrorless had advantages under certain circumstances, but I suspect they’re not better under all circumstances, landscapes being one. Should someone that likes shooting scenery, landscapes, real estate photos, machinery and cars for auction or sale, etc dump all their current gear and go mirrorless? Would they see much if any difference? Or would they be wasting their money on something that is capable of exceeding their needs?

Someone on here at sometime said something about the physical differences in the mirrorless camera body allowing manufacturers to build better lenses. Somehow I find it hard to believe that a $10,000 Nikon or Canon lens will suddenly be able to be improved upon just because of the body it mounts to. I suspect those $$$$$ lenses are as good as consumer or professional lenses will ever get at this time (excluding possible lenses for military, aerospace, scientific uses etc).

I enjoy the banter!

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Not only furniture but also a strawman.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Another analogy that doesn’t hold up. It’s not apples to oranges. It’s cameras to cameras! They are both designed to do the same thing. Mirrorless do most things better. There is no aspect of photography that a DSLR will do better because it’s a DSLR.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

I think my mirrorless have some big advantages when shooting landscapes, street scenes, etc.
With my Z7 I can see the exposure before I shoot. No more guess work for how much EC I need. If I’m using manual lenses they’re much easier to focus on mirrorless because I have focus peaking and focus magnification. Because I have IBIS I can shoot more without using a tripod. I like to use ND filters to shoot waterfalls and lighttrails. With my DSLR I’d have to set up the camera and compose the scene and take a meter reading. Then I’d have to add the filter and calculate my exposure based on filter density and meter reading. With mirrorless I can just set up with the filter on, visually check the exposure, make any adjustments and shoot.
As for better lens designs it’s true. By losing the mirror and putting the flange closer to the sensor they don’t have to make the same compromises in lens they did for DSLR’s. Because these flanges are bigger around it allows more room in the lenses for more powerful and sometimes even multiple focus motors which lead to faster and more accurate focus.

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Interesting! Thanks for the info!

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Flange is the focusing distance from the rear of the lens to film or digital sensor. 'Throat' is the inner diameter of the mount, the 'opening circle' of the camera where the lens mounts.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Only an impressionable fool would read all the mirrorless hype on the internet and would fear their DSLR will burst into dust sometime soon.

Most people buy cameras that exceed both their skills and their aspirations. Worse, they then replace these advanced cameras that have years / decades of potential useful life with still more advanced equipment. What's the difference between buying the next unnecessary incremental and inconsequential model number and instead buying a revolutionary mirrorless design?

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Well if you want to pick nits the flange is a physical part of the lens mount. The distance from the sensor is the Flange Focal Distance and the throat size is the inner opening size.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Your final comment earlier seemed to intermingle the flange distance with the throat size / diameter ....

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Thanks to both of you guys. I learned something! If it’s a Diesel engine with a 300 pound crankshaft or an electric motor I could probably teach you guys a few things, but you have taught me something. Thank you both!

Bill_de Loc: US

Never would have guessed ...

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anotherview Loc: California

My view amid the sales hoopla for mirrorless cameras at the expense of DSLR cameras: Learn the ins-and-outs of the DSLR you own and use, to obtain maximum image quality from it. This approach will produces a better understanding of photography overall. From this standpoint, a photographer may then better evaluate the claims promoting mirrorless cameras.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Now that’s some good advice you should take yourself. I’ve already done it and my evaluation pointed my to mirrorless having features that I find very useful in getting the results I want.

JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA

Regarding slower paced objects, the DSLR can match a mirrorless camera in IQ. Some even use the same, or very similar, sensors. The advantage with mirrorless, as mentioned by others, is that manual focusing can be easier to accomplish. And it is easy to judge the result before the image is even snapped since they are What You See Is What You Get. I can shoot with manual mode and not even look at what the camera is telling me about exposure, and simply by adjusting aperture, shutter speed and/or ISO, and I can pick a setting that I like on the LCD (or EVF), and the result will look just like what I was seeing before the shot. In fact, I often marvel at just how good just adjusting exposure settings using the LCD (or EVF) can be. Especially if the shot needs a fairly long exposure, and even then, it does a really good job.

Since switching to mirrorless, there is nothing about DSLRs that is calling me to go back.