Zooman 1

As arthritis expands in my hands, I am looking at the R7 as a lighter camera. I love my R5, hardly use the R6 once I have the R7 in hand may make a good deal for someone of the R6+lens.

47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range

Yeah, R7 sensor 32.5meg vs R5 cropped to 1.6 equals 28.125meg.

I must admit that it's a good thing I'm not made of money. I do like my R5, A LOT!!

williejoha

Architect1776, you better get your facts straight. The R5 is 45 Meg and full frame.
WJH

47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range

I think what he's saying is that pixel density is higher with the R7 sensor than the R5's. For a given area of the sensor, more pixels are jammed into the R7's.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Crop it Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

The 32MP aps-c sensor has a density of 9.81MP/cm squared, scaled up to FF it would be 83MP.
The R5 FF has 5.21MP/cm squared.
The 7DII has 6MP/cm squared.

So crop an R5 image to cover a Canon aps-c sensor's view with no cropping and the 90D or R7 would be much more detailed than the R5 image and even the 7DII would be slightly more detailed.

Doc Mck Loc: Terrell,Texas

Camera companies are predictable. They need to create future markets, while keeping up with the competition. There will be a R7 mkii at some point with many of the features that are desired from the current R7. I never owned a 7D. I have two 7Dii’s. I don’t know how much the 7Dii upgraded the 7D. I assume a lot. The same thing occurred for most all the models of various camera systems. Upgrades every few years create a whole new market. And a bunch of new upgrades( sales).

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

It looks like the R7 has a lot of good features, but for me it may come up a bit short in other areas.

One person's positive features may be another person's negatives... And vice versa.


Some Pros:

- Autofocus appears to be amazing. Several reviewers on YouTube have posted video showing exactly what you will see in the viewfinder. It appears to be the same AF system as the top-of-the-line R3, thought not quite as fast because the R3 has a more optimal image sensor. But, hey, $1500 for R7 vs $6000 for R3! Can't expect it to be exactly the same! (Note: It also appears the sub-$1000 R10 uses the same AF system!)

- 15 frames per sec mechanical shutter (up from 10 fps in 7DII).

- In body image stabilization (IBIS) that works in conjunction with lens IS. With some lenses, 7 or 8 stops of assistance may be possible.

- Little to no viewfinder blackout or viewfinder lag.

- Dual memory cards (90D only has a single slot).

- Both cards the same (7DII has one CF and one SD).

- Electronic shutter can shoot silently.

- Frame rate can be set to something less than the maximum. Electronic can be set to: 15 fps and 3 fps are avail. 1st curtain electronic offers 15 fps, 8 fps and 3 fps options. Mechanical shutter can be set to 15 fps, 6.5 fps or 3 fps.

- 1/320 flash sync (1st curtain electronic shutter only... 1/250 in most other setups).

- No built-in flash (may make for better weather resistance and I never use built in flash, so am including it here as a "pro").

- $1500 price tag. That surprised me. I was expecting a higher cost. The 7DII was $1800 when it was intro'd in 2014.


Some Cons...

- Sensor is not BSI stacked, so doesn't have fast readout. This will mean some problems with rolling shutter effects when using the electronic shutter with fast moving subjects.

- Rolling shutter issues would keep me from using the faster 30 fps electronic shutter very much. Some point out that rolling shutter effects only are a problem with fast moving subjects, but what else do you need to shoot with ultra high frame rates? I would have no need to shoot stationary or slow moving subjects at 30 fps! Basically, for sports and active wildlife I'm afraid the electronic shutter and it's 30 fps will be of little practical use.

- Limited buffer. Canon claims 41 RAW + JPEG (fine) or just RAW, which will fill the buffer in just over 1 second at 30 fps. Canon says the buffer can handle 128 JPEG (fine).

- Reviewers report high quality SD UHS II cards such as Sandisk's Extreme Pro fastest (260 MBs write speed) clear the buffer fairly quickly. But lower quality SD UHS II and slower types of cards can really bog down while trying to clear the buffer. A faster type of memory such as CF Express might have been a better choice that would also allow for longer bursts.

- Shooting RAW at 30 fps causes the files to be reduced to 12 bit. At all other modes the camera shoots 14 bit RAW files.

- Maximum frame rates may be reduced with some lenses when the camera is set to AI Servo focus, to allow AF to work. (Canon isn't specific, but assume this is with slower focusing lenses.)

- No battery grip will be available and the camera isn't designed to work with one.

- No built in flash (I don't care, but am including it here as a con because some people like having one).

- 15 fps will make for a lot of time spent in post-processing, just reviewing the images. 30 fps would make for even more (if actually used).

- While I haven't used one and can't say from experience, Canon rates the R7's weather resistance as about the same as R6 or 90D. Not that great. Not as good as the 7DII.

- The R7's $1500 price is a couple hundred higher that the price of the 90D when it was intro'd in mid-2019.

Some Questions...

- Shutter durability rating. The EOS 90D was rated for 120,000 shutter actuations, original 7D for 150,000 and the 7D Mark II is supposed to be good for 200,000 clicks. With 50% faster frame rate than 7DII, one would hope the R7 has a shutter rated for 50% more clicks, too: 300,000. But I haven't seen any info about this from Canon.

- Construction.. .the 7DII has a mostly magnesium body shell. Pretty sure the R7 lacks any of that and is "polycarbonate", like the 90D.

- Battery life. One reviewer said he shot 900 images and still had 1/4 of battery charge showing. That's not bad for a Canon mirrorless! Better than what the 7DII is rated to do, in fact. HOWEVER, the 7DII actually does much better. The reason it's rated so low is because of the way CIPA battery tests are done. When a camera has a built in flash, as the 7DII does, half the shots in the battery test are done with flash. That drains a lot from the battery. As a result, any camera with a built-in flash will always look look less power efficient than one that doesn't have built-in flash. Never using their flash, I regularly get 2500 to 3000 shots with my 7DIIs with grips. And that's with LP-E6N that have a little less capacity than the new LP-E6NH that come with the R7. I want to hear more real world experience, but while the R7 sounds reasonably good for a mirrorless, it still sounds as if I may need additional spare batteries. (I carry two extras for each camera... typically that's three cameras with 6 batteries installed and six as backup.)

- Auto level? Apparently the R7 not only has a built in level, it can even correct my images automatically! I think I heard it can "twist" the sensor for up to 3 degrees of correction. Of course, sometimes actual, precise level doesn't "look right" or wasn't even the effect I wanted in an image. Still, I often find myself straightening images in post-processing (even though I use the grid and have a pretty good eye for level). I'm reserving judgment until I can actually try it.

There's still a lot to find out about the R7. I downloaded the more detailed specifications data sheet from the support area of the Canon USA website, but the user manual isn't available yet.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

I used a couple of the original 7D for five years before upgrading to 7D Mark II, which I've now also been using close to five years ago.

You might be surprised how incremental some of the improvements were, between the two models.

7D were 18MP... 7DII only increased to 20MP.

7D could shoot at 8 fps... 7DII bumped that up to 10 fps. However, the 7D would slow at times for focus and metering, which the 7DII rarely does.

Canon issued a major firmware update in the middle of 7D production, which made a noticeable difference in the camera's performance.

Build quality is very similar... magnesium shell, lots of weather sealing on both. 7D is rated to do 150,000 shutter actuations. 7DII increased that to 200,000 clicks.

The biggest difference between the two was the AF system. The 7D's was great in its day... 19-point (five patterns), fast to acquire, good at tracking. 7DII's is even better... 65-point (seven patterns), even faster and stickier.

Harry13

Oh dear god, not this again. ROFLMFAO Harry

Harry13

[quote=jeep daddy] The only thing I don't like about it is that the controls aren't like the 7DII that I'm used to. Getting used to a different camera isn't easy.

Yup, why I'm still using my box camera! Them interchangeable lens really bollix me up! Harry

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Photo Genius on YouTube did a recent video about the R7 and the R10, although he did not have the cameras. Based on specs and price, he liked the R10 for about $1,000, over the $1,500 R7.

suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ

There is an article on the R 7 and R10 on the latest issue of "Imaging Resource" with pros and cons and images. Few cons, mostly pros. Brand new 32 mp sensor, IS, weather resistant.

kcooke Loc: Alabama

Thanks I watched it