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May 8, 2022 09:37:08   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
There are a bunch of misconception and wrong conclusions in some of these comments;

Take a minute and refresh yourself to the general facts of this endless debate:

Full Frame vs APS-C Cameras: Which Do You Need?
Updated on December 3rd, 2021

Do you want to know the difference between full frame vs APS-C cameras? Are you struggling to decide which type of camera to buy?

Full Frame vs APS-C Cameras: Which Do You Need?
You’re not alone. Full Frame vs APS-C is a topic that’s been debated for years – with neither option coming out on top.

Because here’s the truth:

While beginners often think they need a full-frame camera to succeed, APS-C cameras can perform better in a number of scenarios. And whether you’ll do better with an APS-C camera or a full frame camera has nothing to do with your level of professionalism. It has to do with your photography needs.

And in this article, I’m going to tell you everything you need to know about two types of cameras APS-C and full frame. You’ll ultimately come away knowing the perfect camera type for you.

What is the difference between Full Frame and APS-C sensors?
Full-frame and APS-C formats indicate the sensor’s physical dimensions, which is different from pixel count. A full-frame sensor has 36mm by 24mm size based on the traditional 35mm film format. An APS-C sensor is 1.5 times smaller, 25.1mm by 16.7mm, and named after Advanced Photo System type-C film format.

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What is the Origin of Full Frame vs APS-C Cameras?
Back when film was popular, there were a number of well-known film formats: 35mm format, medium format, large format, and more. These could only be used by corresponding cameras. A medium format camera used medium format film, a 35mm camera used 35mm film, and so on.

These different film formats could be distinguished by their physical size; for instance, 35mm film was 36mm by 24mm.

Origin of Full Frame Sensors
35mm film was by far the most popular format, primarily because of its perfect size. It was small enough for easier to carry around a 35mm camera than medium or large format bodies. And, it was large enough to produce high-quality photos. This made 35mm cameras into highly desirable pieces of kit for professional and amateur photographers alike.

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The origin of Full Frame sensor size is 35mm film format
In fact, the 35mm format was popular enough and so perfectly sized that many of the first digital cameras were 35mm, which was known as full frame. The sensors on these full-frame cameras offered dimensions of 36mm by 24mm.

Origin of APS-C Sensors
This term – full frame – was defined in contrast to smaller, or APS-C, camera sensors. APS-C stands for Advanced Photo System type-C. It is equivalent in size to the Advanced Photo System film negative in its “Classic” format, of 25.1×16.7 mm, an aspect ratio of 3:2.

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These cameras featured sensors with a range of dimensions, often around 24mm by 16mm. Many digital cameras these days sport APS-C sensors because smaller sensors are cheaper to produce. Smaller sensors also require smaller camera bodies and smaller lenses, which results in more compact camera setups.

Confusion Surrounding Crop Factor
APS-C cameras include something called the “crop factor.” This simply refers to a “crop” effect created by the smaller sensor. When you shoot with an APS-C camera, the field of view is changed, creating the impression of a cropped photo.

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For instance, if you shoot a bird at 100mm on a full frame vs crop (APS-C) camera, the APS-C photo will look tighter. This is because the smaller sensor captures a smaller portion of the scene.

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Field of View Cheat Sheet: Placing a smaller sensor behind a lens doesn’t change its focal length. What changes, is the angle of view only.
Note that the focal length of your lens doesn’t experience any real shift. Nor does the depth of field or the lens speed change. The only real change is a field of view, which makes your lenses appear longer.

That said, having a smaller sensor can make a big difference to your photography:

Advantages of Full Frame vs APS-C
Full frame cameras, while more expensive than their APS-C counterparts, are known for their quality.

This is for a few reasons.

1. Better Low Light Performance
First, full frame cameras have more sensor space, so they offer larger pixels. Larger pixels means that each pixel can take in more light, which results in decreased noise (and better low light performance). Therefore, a full frame camera at 24 megapixels will outperform a crop sensor camera at 24 megapixels; the ISO performance will be better.

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Full Frame sensors always outperform smaller sensors in low light situations
2. Wider Dynamic Range
Second, full frame cameras offer a greater dynamic range than APS-C cameras. While dynamic range is often hard to perceive, it manifests as the difference between the detailed whites and the detailed blacks in your photos. Full frame cameras are better able to render extreme tones in a scene.

3. Higher Resolution
Third, full frame cameras often have higher resolution than APS-C cameras. The larger the sensor, the more pixels that fit!

4. No Crop Factor
Fourth, full frame cameras don’t force you to deal with annoying crop factors. A crop factor makes your wide angle lenses less wide and makes your standard lens into telephotos. For some, it’s important to be able to shoot with the lens field of view that you initially purchased.

Related: Best Cameras for Low Light Photography

And speaking of wide-angle lenses, full frame cameras allow you to shoot wide angle lenses as true wide angle lenses. That way, you can capture sweeping landscapes without missing a beat.

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Wide angle is always wide on Full Frame cameras
5. Better Lens Selection
Finally, the full frame lens selection is much broader than the APS-C lens selection. While you can use full frame lenses on APS-C bodies, camera manufacturers also offer APS-C lenses, such as Canon’s EF-S lens series.

Disadvantages of Full Frame vs APS-C Cameras
Full frame cameras are often great, but they sometimes fall short.

Why?

1. Higher Cost
First, full frame cameras and lenses tend to be hugely expensive. While there are some budget full frame cameras and lenses, they’re hardly cheap. Most beginner photographers just can’t justify the cost of a full frame option.

2. Bigger Size and Weight
And second, full frame cameras and lenses tend to be larger and heavier. This isn’t ideal for photography on the move: outdoor photography, travel photography, etc.

Advantages of APS-C vs Full Frame Cameras
Depending on your needs, there are plenty of reasons why you should go for an APS-C camera:

1. Size and Weight
First, if size and weight are important characteristics to you, then I recommend going with an APS-C setup. Both the cameras and the lenses are smaller than their full frame counterparts, and therefore much more manageable. APS-C cameras are perfect for travel, hiking, and backpacking.

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Compact Fujifilm combo is the perfect travel companion
2. More Attractive Cost
Second, APS-C cameras (and lenses) tend to be far cheaper than full frame gear. So if you’re on a budget, APS-C may be the way to go.

3. Longer Reach
Third, if you’re looking to shoot birds or wildlife, you’re going to need a lot of reach. Because of the crop factor, an APS-C camera will give you a 1.5x or 1.6x extension on your lens focal lengths. This can be invaluable for getting the close-up shots that bird and wildlife photographers love.

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It can be advantageous to use APS-C cameras for wildlife photography
4. Larger Depth of Field
Finally, because of the way the crop factor works, it’s easier to achieve a deeper depth of field with APS-C cameras. If you want to get the entire scene sharp, you won’t have to stop down as much–which is fantastic for shooting in low light scenarios.

Disadvantages of APS-C vs Full Frame Cameras
What are the downsides to APS-C cameras?

A few things:

1. Poorer Lens Selection
First, APS-C lenses just aren’t as plentiful as full frame lenses. There aren’t many high-quality APS-C lenses, though there are plenty of great full frame options.

2. Crop Factor Issue
Second, there’s no way of turning the crop factor off. When you shoot wildlife, the crop factor may be useful. But if you’re trying to photograph a beach sunset, the crop factor can be thoroughly annoying.

3. Lower High ISO Performance
Third, the low light performance of APS-C cameras just doesn’t match up with the low light performance of full frame cameras. So if you want to shoot genres such as astrophotography, a full frame camera is a better choice.

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In optimal light conditions, APS-C cameras produce amazing results
Full Frame vs APS-C Cameras: Conclusion
This article described the difference between full frame and APS-C cameras, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of each.

As you should now realize, neither camera format is more valuable than the other. Deciding whether to go with a full frame or an APS-C camera should be based on your current needs as a photographer.

So think about what you want to photograph. Think about what you’d like to see in a camera.

And then choose a camera body and start photographing!



Cheers
There are a bunch of misconception and wrong concl... (show quote)

Excellent dissertation. A keeper. Thank you.

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May 8, 2022 09:55:36   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?


But what if he wants to be half of a photographer?

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May 8, 2022 10:08:52   #
wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN
 
larryepage wrote:
For instance, I've done the experiment with a D850, and a D500, which have sensors with about the same sensor density and about the same generation. With the same camera setup (which is possible on those two cameras), it is not possible to tell the two images apart.

If I did the same experiment with a D200 or D300, which are much older cameras with much different sensor density, that would not be true at all.


I did a comparison between my a7ii, a6500 and rx100vii. Framed the same picture, no difference between the a7 and a6500 that I could see, slight drop with the rx100 but to be honest if I printed the three and hung them, no one would know.

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May 8, 2022 11:00:50   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Timothy S wrote:
I am wondering how a crop sensor image would compare with the same image taken with the same lens and distance on a full frame camera, manually cropped to the same extent. Does that result in the same resolution and IQ?


If, with a cropped sensor camera, you can fill the frame with your subject, it is better than 1/2 filling the frame with the same subject using the same MP FF camera.
Because, you can put more EFFECTIVE MP on the subject than with a FF camera.
If however, your cropped sensor camera is a 24 MP, and your FF camera is a 60 MP camera, then this is a horse of a different color.

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May 8, 2022 11:03:51   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Stop it, just go out and shoot. See the world and photograph it.

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May 8, 2022 11:08:34   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Timothy S wrote:
I am wondering how a crop sensor image would compare with the same image taken with the same lens and distance on a full frame camera, manually cropped to the same extent. Does that result in the same resolution and IQ?


Assuming the same number if pixels in each of the two images and cameras of similar levels of technology. I suspect there would no difference. If your images are made into smallish prints or seen on a computer monitor I would expect no noticable difference. If there is different color science applied in creating the images you might see some color differences but it would be 50/50 on which you would like best.

In many instances, I think sensor size itself is a not big deal.

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May 8, 2022 11:25:44   #
gwilliams6
 
ronpier wrote:
Excellent dissertation. A keeper. Thank you.


You are welcome:

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May 8, 2022 11:27:59   #
gwilliams6
 
fetzler wrote:
Assuming the same number if pixels in each of the two images and cameras of similar levels of technology. I suspect there would no difference. If your images are made into smallish prints or seen on a computer monitor I would expect no noticable difference. If there is different color science applied in creating the images you might see some color differences but it would be 50/50 on which you would like best.

In many instances, I think sensor size itself is a not big deal.


But advances in sensor tech have made that moot ,as the quality of light-gathering and low noise of the pixels is not equal even when the size is equal due to improved sensor tech in some new sensors.

So it is always changing and advancing. So there is NO set rule that will apply to all sensors and all pixels anymore. Just the new reality .

Cheers

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May 8, 2022 11:41:37   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
thegrover wrote:
Stop it, just go out and shoot. See the world and photograph it.



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May 8, 2022 11:42:52   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?


I would expect a response like this coming from you. SMH

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May 8, 2022 11:54:07   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
It's hard to have good luck with the wrong sensor size.

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May 8, 2022 13:24:08   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Timothy S wrote:
I am wondering how a crop sensor image would compare with the same image taken with the same lens and distance on a full frame camera, manually cropped to the same extent. Does that result in the same resolution and IQ?


It completely depends upon the two cameras involved.

We did EXACTLY that test years ago with an 18MP APS-C camera versus a 22MP full frame camera. The cropped image from the full frame camera was noticeably lower quality than the image from the APS-C camera. This makes sense, if you think about it, because if you crop a 22MP full frame image down to APS-C size, what's left is about 9MP.... half the resolution of the APS-C camera!

But if the full frame camera is much higher resolution, the image may hold up quite well.

In fact, the 20MP Canon 7D Mark II and the 50MP Canon 5DS have exactly the same pixel pitch and density. So you could crop that particular full frame camera's images to match that APS-C camera's images and will see little to no difference. With today's APS-C typically around 24MP and 45 or 46MP pretty common, you might expect some slight advantage to the APS-C vs the cropped FF image... But it wouldn't be very much.

An advantage to cropping FF images in post-processing would be that you can adjust the crop... changing the composition or even the amount of crop. There's no opportunity to make similar changes with APS-C cameras or with in-camera crop applied to full frame.

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May 8, 2022 13:53:19   #
tennis2618
 
CHG_Canon, I am a bit confused by your comment as I travel with Lindblad National Geographic frequently (finally able to tart up again late in February to Patagonia-my 11th route with them) and we always have one to several National Geo photographers as our photography team. Most of them switched to Olympus with the smaller sensor a few years ago (spurred on by great pricing from Olympus for the long haul) and they love their new gear. To me the pictures look spectacular. I suspect they would not do this if their results would suffer.

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May 8, 2022 13:58:37   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
With the wrong camera, success is probably 99% luck. But with the right camera, it's 100% the photographer.

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May 8, 2022 14:05:16   #
Tommg
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?


the size of a sensor has little or nothing to do with "your potential as a photographer"

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