Full frame vs aps-c
May 7, 2022 18:21:09 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
It's one of those things (sensor size) about as important as brands, or cameras that still have mirrors, or shooting in RAW, people will fight to the death over the topic for no relevant purpose.
Sure there's a purpose: MUST expound on my opinion.
Might not be relevant, but it's still a purpose.
May 7, 2022 19:38:35 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
gwilliams6 wrote:
There are a bunch of misconception and wrong conclusions in some of these comments;
And there's faulty information including even self-contradictory statements in this article that you cut and pasted and failed to reference.
Here's the reference:
May 7, 2022 19:46:48 #
Ysarex wrote:
And there's faulty information including even self-contradictory statements in this article that you cut and pasted and failed to reference.
Here's the reference:
Here's the reference:
Tried but couldn't share the active link, the link was blocked by UHH as an advertisement. UHH rules, not mine.
Dont be a know-it-all and assume what you dont know.
Cheers
May 7, 2022 19:54:04 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
gwilliams6 wrote:
Tried but couldn't share the active link, the link was blocked by UHH as an advertisement. UHH rules, not mine.
Dont be a jerk and assume what you dont know.
Cheers
Dont be a jerk and assume what you dont know.
Cheers
I said you cut and pasted it -- you did.
I said you failed to reference it -- also correct.
There are no assumptions there. I referenced it.
May 7, 2022 20:02:40 #
Ysarex wrote:
I said you cut and pasted it -- you did.
I said you failed to reference it -- also correct.
There are no assumptions there. I referenced it.
I said you failed to reference it -- also correct.
There are no assumptions there. I referenced it.
Here are some that I can link, read these if you care:
https://camerajabber.com/full-frame-vs-aps-c-cameras-whats-real-difference/
https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/full-frame-vs-aps-c-crop-factor/
And FYI, I have been doing this for over 48 years as a worldwide award winning pro, and also as a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university who has taught the physics , advantages and disadvantages of each format to my hundreds of students. I do have my Masters Degree in Digital Photography, so I do know something about this subject. LOL
I have used both APS-C and Fullframe cameras from Nikon, Canon and Sony and have made great shots with each.
IMHO the IQ of fullframe cameras is superior in detail and ultimate resolution, detail, dynamic range, bokeh, and depth of field over APS-C.
But you can make your own decisions which system suits you and works best for you based on a host of other practical features.
For IQ I will stick to Fullframe
Cheers
May 7, 2022 20:07:05 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
gwilliams6 wrote:
And FYI, I have been doing this for over 48 years as a worldwide award winning pro, who has used both APS-C and Fullframe cameras from Nikon, Canon and Sony.
Then why did you cut and paste an article with faulty information in it?
May 7, 2022 20:13:40 #
Ysarex wrote:
Then why did you cut and paste an article with faulty information in it?
There are actually a host of different points of view by respected "experts" in the photo world. I posted a few that do show that difference of opinion.
Constant advances in sensor tech and sensor quality render any hard fast "absolutes" as moot points. This is a moving target and there is NO one correct answer anymore here. It is constantly changing.
There are APS-C sensors, notably from Fuji ,that do approach some fullframe sensors in IQ. And there are some of the latest flagship fullframe sensors that are far beyond what any APS-C can achieve in IQ.
You can choose to believe any of them or believe what you think is correct. You characterized it as conflicting information, I did not. It is all changing and the physics is being pushed by the sensor makers.
Cheers
May 7, 2022 20:32:52 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
gwilliams6 wrote:
There are actually a host of different points of v... (show quote)
So did you even read what you cut and pasted? I'm not talking about opinions or different points of view I'm talking about facts -- about getting facts straight. In the article you cut and pasted the author presents false information (not opinions) and later presents conflicting info. Here's an example:
Two quotes from the article follow.
1. "For instance, if you shoot a bird at 100mm on a full frame vs crop (APS-C) camera, the APS-C photo will look tighter. This is because the smaller sensor captures a smaller portion of the scene. Note that the focal length of your lens doesn’t experience any real shift. Nor does the depth of field or the lens speed change. The only real change is a field of view, which makes your lenses appear longer."
2."Finally, because of the way the crop factor works, it’s easier to achieve a deeper depth of field with APS-C cameras. If you want to get the entire scene sharp, you won’t have to stop down as much–which is fantastic for shooting in low light scenarios."
May 7, 2022 20:40:07 #
gwilliams6 wrote:
There are actually a host of different points of v... (show quote)
I like what you said about advances in sensor tech etc... making a hard fast comparison tough. The techie experts here can battle it out for a still undetermined # of pages... I will say this though, I DO like the idea of carrying at least one of each format. i.e. a 60D as well as a 6D in my case, utilizing top shelf EF lenses. I like the idea of mixing and matching while cutting back on the ACTUAL # of lenses needed... I could not care less on the # of pixels lost on the crop... The IQ of my two cameras mentioned above using the same lens is negligible in most situations. In fact I have (2) 60D as well as 6D. Nearly identical look, feel, and controls. Everyone has to work out there own system based on their needs. Just food for thought... What, 100mm macro not quite right, lets make it an apparent 160mm macro... Easy Peasy.
May 7, 2022 22:43:16 #
May 8, 2022 00:50:22 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Your math is wrong. br br The Canon 1.6x crop fac... (show quote)
Essentially the same as what I did by indicating the length and width are reduced by 1/1.6 each, which reduces the area to 39%.
May 8, 2022 05:40:02 #
"If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?"
Paul, many professional photographers use cropped sensor cameras with full frame lenses. They seem to be very comfortable.
Paul, many professional photographers use cropped sensor cameras with full frame lenses. They seem to be very comfortable.
May 8, 2022 07:45:23 #
Diligence is the mother of good luck. Having a cropped-sensor camera is like dating your cousin.
May 8, 2022 08:06:28 #
Take a look at some lens simulators. They might show what you want - or maybe not.
https://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/focal-length-simulator/
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/
https://hisgallery.com/blog/collection-of-online-camera-simulators-lens-simulators
http://canonfeatures.ca/comparison-tool
https://www.diyphotography.net/use-nikons-lens-simulator-to-pick-your-next-lens-non-nikon-shooters-too/
https://www.sigma-imaging-uk.com/focal-length-simulator/
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/
https://hisgallery.com/blog/collection-of-online-camera-simulators-lens-simulators
http://canonfeatures.ca/comparison-tool
https://www.diyphotography.net/use-nikons-lens-simulator-to-pick-your-next-lens-non-nikon-shooters-too/
May 8, 2022 08:41:09 #
Timothy S wrote:
I am wondering how a crop sensor image would compare with the same image taken with the same lens and distance on a full frame camera, manually cropped to the same extent. Does that result in the same resolution and IQ?
The comparative pixel densities or pixel pitch or pixel size of the sensors will be the most defining factors here.
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