CS2, CS3, CS4 - R.I.P.
It used to be that software came in a box. The last non-Creative Cloud version of Photoshop cost $999. To keep generating money, Adobe had to make each next version so awesome that customers would spend more money -- or NOT!
Could it be that a company could make better software with a continuous, monthly recurring revenue? Could it be that professionals could "expense", rather than "capitalize" software? Could it be that losses from software piracy and theft could be reduced?
What other benefits flow to customers when a company has a steady, predictable income?
The grass is always greener when you process with PhotoShop.
CHG_CANON wrote:
The grass is always greener when you process with PhotoShop.
But easily corrected with white balance adjustments in other software.
And certainly easier if one shoots RAW!!!!!
DirtFarmer
Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I reinstall CS6, I have to enter the current number and my CS5 number. I suspect that's how they'll stop earlier installations.
Apple is worth $2.08 trillion, yet that's not enough.
CS6 is an Adobe product, not Apple.
And the definition of "enough" is "just a little bit more".
SS319 said in part "I have a subscription to Adobe Photography and one to µsoft 365, and I am happy with both subscriptions. I also have subscriptions to YouTube, the Blaze, and Amazon, Oh and I pay the power company, phone company, and TV/Internet supplier monthly." SS319, is addicted and has become "at one" with software. It no longer has a name or gender, 319 is just its who... a serial number as in some sci-fi story!!
How good is good when newer is better? At some point, MS Word's newest is not really better than Word 2003. Adding AI to everything takes your control away if you do not have a manual override. How many of us use Adobe PS to it fullest when many other edit programs are competitive for a few dollars or even open-source free.
Topaz is my go-to-crutch and ever-improving. As one of the presenting Topaz Webinar Gurus said, in denoise reduce the zoom to 100 rather than the default 200 because you will never visually perceive the improvement at 200 and may overcook the photo. The more-Mpix camera game and multi-multi ink shades while great-hype for sales, can not be perceived by the human eye... even if you use the magic glasses you bought as a youth advertised on the back of the comic book.
So if very-good is good is very-very-good perceivably better and worth the money?
Thank you! You are confirming Rossman's idea: companies can do whatever they want to us, and we not only accept it; we defend it.
You pay $200 for software, but after a few years, the company decides you can't install it anymore. You "buy" expensive software only to find that the company still owns it, and you're okay with that.
Watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEP_7_gx6M8EDIT: Somewhat related. My Honda Fit needed a mass air flow sensor. I bought one at Autozone for $30. No good. I had the buy the one from Honda for almost $300. A mechanic told me that car computers can now tell if certain components are aftermarket or "genuine."
DirtFarmer
Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
dpullum wrote:
...So if very good is good is very very good really better and worth the money?
purely an individual subjective decision. Depends on what the end use of your images is and how picky you are about them.
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced that PS earlier than CS5 is no longer installable. Even if you have your original installation disk, you will not be able to install it on a computer.
I've mentioned Louis Rossman here before. He has a computer repair shop in Manhattan, working mainly on Apple products. He also has a daily video on YouTube. The Adobe post was from yesterday. He lamented the fact that the current trend is toward renting, rather than owning software and other products, and that there are fewer and fewer things owners are able to do to maintain what they buy. Apple and John Deere were two of the leaders in this trend, but it is spreading to car makers. Since the 1960s, I have bought service manuals for every car I've owned. Try to buy one now. Rather, you have to rent them on a daily, monthly, or annual basis. Even our military cannot repair most of its equipment. The government pays technicians big bucks to be on retainer in case something breaks.
A few weeks ago, he mentioned this "rental" item. A company is making jackets for motorcycle riders that will inflate like an airbag in case of a crash. Unfortunately, if you stop making your monthly payment, the jacket will no longer inflate. I wonder what would happen if the company went out of business.
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I am not sure how that could be possible. The photo school I attended a few years ago had Ps CS3, CS4, CS5 running with Windows XP. At home I had CS6 running with Windows Vista. I currently have the same DVD-ROM disc sourced program running on my newer PC with Windows 10. The installation is a function of the program, installation program, and operating system. Now, sure Adobe might not let you or me register an old program but they have not been providing updates to CS6 for years. I purchased my copy of Ps CS6 at the academic price that was much lower at less than $300. So I have obviously gotten my use out of it. I am thinking of moving to Ps CC Classic anyway. I am missing the improvements. I will try installing my CS6 on my wife's PC in place of the old PSE9.
lamiaceae wrote:
I am not sure how that could be possible. The photo school I attended a few years ago had Ps CS3, CS4, CS5 running with Windows XP. At home I had CS6 running with Windows Vista. I currently have the same DVD-ROM disc sourced program running on my newer PC with Windows 10. The installation is a function of the program, installation program, and operating system. Now, sure Adobe might not let you or me register an old program but they have not been providing updates to CS6 for years. I purchased my copy of Ps CS6 at the academic price that was much lower at less than $300. So I have obviously gotten my use out of it. I am thinking of moving to Ps CC Classic anyway. I am missing the improvements. I will try installing my CS6 on my wife's PC in place of the old PSE9.
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I don't know either, unless they reject the installation based on the serial number.
sodapop wrote:
Topaz has updated my AI Sharpen at least 4 times this year- no extra charge
With Topaz you get free updates for a year. After a year you can pay a fee and get another year. If you have multiple products you can pay a discounted fee that covers everything. It’s kind of a hybrid between a subscription model that gives you continuous updates and a product that you buy and releases updates each year that you can buy.
Jerry you nailed it. I tell people Apple made toasters it would be a great toaster, but you would have to buy the bread from them. Apple is also designed people that don't know a lot about computers. The lack of options to upgrade an Apple is the main reason I don't use their products. I have also noted Apple techs are on the arrogant side when it come to service. They know they are the only show in town
I don't believe that anybody has ever owned software - what one "purchases" is a license to utilize that software. As for the concept of "renting" software, well, that is an individual preference, isn't it? If the developer chooses to license their product that way, then it is my decision whether or not to pay, on a recurring basis, to use that product. I wonder how many people who complain about this market trend purchase a car outright or lease it. Leasing a vehicle is akin to paying a monthly fee for software, at least from my vantage point.
I like the rental method of paying for Adobe Photoshop because this method brings periodic updates and improvements, instead of waiting for the annual upgrade for a lump-sum payment.
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced that PS earlier than CS5 is no longer installable. Even if you have your original installation disk, you will not be able to install it on a computer.
I've mentioned Louis Rossman here before. He has a computer repair shop in Manhattan, working mainly on Apple products. He also has a daily video on YouTube. The Adobe post was from yesterday. He lamented the fact that the current trend is toward renting, rather than owning software and other products, and that there are fewer and fewer things owners are able to do to maintain what they buy. Apple and John Deere were two of the leaders in this trend, but it is spreading to car makers. Since the 1960s, I have bought service manuals for every car I've owned. Try to buy one now. Rather, you have to rent them on a daily, monthly, or annual basis. Even our military cannot repair most of its equipment. The government pays technicians big bucks to be on retainer in case something breaks.
A few weeks ago, he mentioned this "rental" item. A company is making jackets for motorcycle riders that will inflate like an airbag in case of a crash. Unfortunately, if you stop making your monthly payment, the jacket will no longer inflate. I wonder what would happen if the company went out of business.
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