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Sep 13, 2021 10:46:47   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
I subscribe to a monthly internet connection payment so that I can complain about a software subscription

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Sep 13, 2021 10:57:45   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
sodapop wrote:
I subscribe to a monthly internet connection payment so that I can complain about a software subscription



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Sep 13, 2021 11:58:49   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
With Topaz you get free updates for a year. After a year you can pay a fee and get another year. If you have multiple products you can pay a discounted fee that covers everything. It’s kind of a hybrid between a subscription model that gives you continuous updates and a product that you buy and releases updates each year that you can buy.


I forget what the update cost is for 7 plug-ins, but I'm sure that it was around $100.
They all work well and the cost is reasonable, IMHO.

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Sep 13, 2021 12:25:20   #
srg
 
Gene51 wrote:
The cost of running a software development company is high - ongoing R&D, testing, support, marketing, rent, salaries, etc. Topaz and others are allowed to make money and keep their software current and functional. I've been arguing that creating and selling upgrades is a rental scheme cloaked as an "option" to sell something called a perpetual license. As if the purchaser of said license is buying something tangible. Newsflash - they aren't. They are paying for a license that allows he use of a company's intellectual property, according to the company's terms and conditions. Software is only valid for the conditions for which it was developed. When new computers/lenses/cameras/operating systems, etc - the company has to issue an upgrade. When the extensive testing prior to a software release is not sufficiently extensive, bugs occur and must be corrected, usually with a maintenance update.

I used to develop custom software for engineering and architectural companies. The fee structure was simple - they paid for initial R&D, deployment, training, annual maintenance. Any issues that were entirely on our side I would charge nothing additional to fix (like a free update but it was built into the annual maintenance), but in the course of use, the client would often identify additional capability they would like to see in their application. So we would go to work to respond with a new version, based on the old one, but with the requested changes/additions. They would pay for that as well, and it was not part of the annual maintenance.

At least the user base for companies that sell subscriptions is large enough that they can afford to build in updates and upgrades into the subscription fee.

It sounds like you want something for nothing. There would be no software industry if everyone shared your view.
The cost of running a software development company... (show quote)


The money I least regret spending is $9.99 per month for Photoshop and Lightroom

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Sep 13, 2021 12:40:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
I subscribe, therefore, I am.

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Sep 13, 2021 13:40:00   #
Abo
 
dpullum wrote:
SS319 said in part "I have a subscription to Adobe Photography and one to µsoft 365, and I am happy with both subscriptions. I also have subscriptions to YouTube, the Blaze, and Amazon, Oh and I pay the power company, phone company, and TV/Internet supplier monthly." SS319, is addicted and has become "at one" with software. It no longer has a name or gender, 319 is just its who... a serial number as in some sci-fi story!!

How good is good when newer is better? At some point, MS Word's newest is not really better than Word 2003. Adding AI to everything takes your control away if you do not have a manual override. How many of us use Adobe PS to it fullest when many other edit programs are competitive for a few dollars or even open-source free.

Topaz is my go-to-crutch and ever-improving. As one of the presenting Topaz Webinar Gurus said, in denoise reduce the zoom to 100 rather than the default 200 because you will never visually perceive the improvement at 200 and may overcook the photo. The more-Mpix camera game and multi-multi ink shades while great-hype for sales, can not be perceived by the human eye... even if you use the magic glasses you bought as a youth advertised on the back of the comic book.

So if very-good is good is very-very-good perceivably better and worth the money?
SS319 said in part "I have a subscription to ... (show quote)


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Sep 13, 2021 14:45:36   #
fehutch Loc: gulfport, ms
 
[quote=fehutch]No one has mentioned Linux yet, so…
I have been using LINUX MINT for over 5 years. Before that another Linux distribution - probably UBUNTU. I started with Red Hat 9 in 1999 when I set up an email server for a school district. 1300 users at that time. Total cost less than $50 and availability of a couple of Dell Dimension desktop PCs that had been retired from classroom use. Linux is like that, computer thrifty - don’t need the latest and greatest. No need for anti-virus anti-spyware software. And it comes with all software included In the OS. At that time, all we needed.

Today’s Mint distribution includes Open Office which speaks and reads MS Office, Firefox Browser, Thunderbird Email client -same as Outlook or MSMail and easier to use, the equivalent accessory packages on a Windows Installation - to numerous to mention, and photo software packages including GIMP (acronym for Graphic Image Manipulation Program). Gimp is supposed to be the equivalent of PhotoShop - I don’t know; don’t use either one. Everything I need to polish an image for paper is available in any of the less robust graphics packages available as part of the Mint distribution.

This software is all FREE and OS upgrades come as downloads weekly. All you need is an internet connection and the ability to click on an icon and follow instructions. Everything is password secure and you set all your own passwords. Mint looks like Windows; same desktop design, etc. But inside, a whole different animal. No Defragging or disk cleaning stuff to worry about. My wife has an identical system - different hardware, but the same inside. Loaded her box from the same dvd I used to reinstall on mine. No licensing issues, no installation codes to be concerned about. She also has a MAC laptop - had to have it - seldom uses it

In Hurricane Ida, as in Katrina, we lost power - about a day. I shut down both UPS boxes, which is all I needed to do. When the power came back, turned them on, and both systems came right up. I think hers had been on for over a year before the storm. Super reliable, super inexpensive, and super easy to use.

outside of the monthly fee I pay to my website provider, I have no fees for software, purchase or rental. I frankly find the notion of renting software or purchasing something that I am going to have to pay more for later to stay up to date a really stupid idea. I purchased Vuescan for my Canoscan scanner over 5 years ago. Paid for lifetime subscription; the updates come in (Like LINUX), whenever there is one - for free.

Now the big problem with Linux (nothing’s perfect) is the lack of printer support. This is in the USA mainly because manufacturers develop for Windows first, MAC second, the rest only in Europe where there is much more of a Linux presence. I chose my printers (both Canon) because the models had Linux drivers available. They were included in the Mint software distribution. It was pretty much automatic. I use a Pixma IX6800 series (CMYK with extra black). I use after market ink - several sources from Amazon. 15 years now with the same setup. My wife has a different Canon printer scanner combo that takes the same inks. Much cheaper and easy to keep supply inventory.

This is way more elaborate than I had intended, but it is so simple and inexpensive. Certainly not worth the grief I read here a lot. Take great pictures; don’t let the post-processing run you down. Love the site.

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Sep 13, 2021 14:49:20   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
Price of doing business or having a hobby in today’s world needing increasing predictable revenue. New world out there. We are not sure if Covid vaccines will expire needing renewing either. Looking that way however.

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Sep 13, 2021 15:05:07   #
11bravo
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced that PS earlier than CS5 is no longer installable. Even if you have your original installation disk, you will not be able to install it on a computer.

I've mentioned Louis Rossman here before. He has a computer repair shop in Manhattan, working mainly on Apple products. He also has a daily video on YouTube. The Adobe post was from yesterday. He lamented the fact that the current trend is toward renting, rather than owning software and other products, and that there are fewer and fewer things owners are able to do to maintain what they buy. Apple and John Deere were two of the leaders in this trend, but it is spreading to car makers. Since the 1960s, I have bought service manuals for every car I've owned. Try to buy one now. Rather, you have to rent them on a daily, monthly, or annual basis. Even our military cannot repair most of its equipment. The government pays technicians big bucks to be on retainer in case something breaks.

A few weeks ago, he mentioned this "rental" item. A company is making jackets for motorcycle riders that will inflate like an airbag in case of a crash. Unfortunately, if you stop making your monthly payment, the jacket will no longer inflate. I wonder what would happen if the company went out of business.
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced ... (show quote)
Another reason to have a system image. Of course, if you wanted to install on a new computer... well, you could always use a virtual machine.. But if the software periodically phones home for verification, maybe you will be SOL...

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Sep 13, 2021 15:26:28   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Having been involved in sky diving for some time, yes, parachutes may have an age issue. Most are made of nylon. Nylon is photosensitive, in that it deteriorates when exposed to the UV portion of the visible light spectrum. After a sufficient length of time, those 5 minute rides down under a canopy can have a detrimental effect on the material. It will definitely open. Parachutes want to do that. Will it stay together? That's another question.
--Bob
sodapop wrote:
Or a parachute company that will no longer open.

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Sep 13, 2021 15:29:06   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
I hate subscription services. I would rather buy it and be done as I hate ongoing bills. As for PS and LR, I do feel the same, however, it is something I use all of the time. I used to upgrade religiously when a new version came out. I figure that with all of the upgrades, it cost me the same per year, so I am paying about the same. It automatically upgrades for no additional cost. At approx $10 per month, it’s more principle than money. However! We spend loads more on bodies, lenses, filters and other gadgets and we really don’t complain about that.

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Sep 13, 2021 16:21:03   #
clickety
 
Gene51 wrote:
The cost of running a software development company is high - ongoing R&D, testing, support, marketing, rent, salaries, etc. Topaz and others are allowed to make money and keep their software current and functional. I've been arguing that creating and selling upgrades is a rental scheme cloaked as an "option" to sell something called a perpetual license. As if the purchaser of said license is buying something tangible. Newsflash - they aren't. They are paying for a license that allows he use of a company's intellectual property, according to the company's terms and conditions. Software is only valid for the conditions for which it was developed. When new computers/lenses/cameras/operating systems, etc - the company has to issue an upgrade. When the extensive testing prior to a software release is not sufficiently extensive, bugs occur and must be corrected, usually with a maintenance update.

I used to develop custom software for engineering and architectural companies. The fee structure was simple - they paid for initial R&D, deployment, training, annual maintenance. Any issues that were entirely on our side I would charge nothing additional to fix (like a free update but it was built into the annual maintenance), but in the course of use, the client would often identify additional capability they would like to see in their application. So we would go to work to respond with a new version, based on the old one, but with the requested changes/additions. They would pay for that as well, and it was not part of the annual maintenance.

At least the user base for companies that sell subscriptions is large enough that they can afford to build in updates and upgrades into the subscription fee.

It sounds like you want something for nothing. There would be no software industry if everyone shared your view.
The cost of running a software development company... (show quote)


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Sep 13, 2021 16:39:42   #
gouldopfl
 
jerryc41 wrote:


I've mentioned Louis Rossman here before. He has a computer repair shop in Manhattan, working mainly on Apple products. He also has a daily video on YouTube. The Adobe post was from yesterday. He lamented the fact that the current trend is toward renting, rather than owning software....


As a former owner of a software development company who created vertical market applications, for most applications they were never owned by the customer. They were always owned by the developers. It was "rented" and many companies allowed you to use it until they don't. I spent a million dollars a year in R&D plus marketing, administration, etc. We used a payment model where maintenance was done annually. If the customer didn't want the maintenance after the first year we charged them 250.00 per hour. We also only included updates if on annual maintenance. Security updates were provided for free.

We didn't want to have our customers more than 2 major releases because of our costs to maintain old software. I see no problem with Adobe having a method to keep the software from being re-installed for a old version because if you read the license, you don't own the software

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Sep 13, 2021 16:52:21   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
rmalarz wrote:
Having been involved in sky diving for some time, yes, parachutes may have an age issue. Most are made of nylon. Nylon is photosensitive, in that it deteriorates when exposed to the UV portion of the visible light spectrum. After a sufficient length of time, those 5 minute rides down under a canopy can have a detrimental effect on the material. It will definitely open. Parachutes want to do that. Will it stay together? That's another question.
--Bob


That's all right as long as they replace the one that did not work

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Sep 13, 2021 17:54:30   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Mine didn't on one jump. It wasn't replaced, just repaired. The reserve worked perfectly though.
--Bob
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That's all right as long as they replace the one that did not work

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