CS2, CS3, CS4 - R.I.P.
Sep 12, 2021 12:12:39 #
It used to be that software came in a box. The last non-Creative Cloud version of Photoshop cost $999. To keep generating money, Adobe had to make each next version so awesome that customers would spend more money -- or NOT!
Could it be that a company could make better software with a continuous, monthly recurring revenue? Could it be that professionals could "expense", rather than "capitalize" software? Could it be that losses from software piracy and theft could be reduced?
What other benefits flow to customers when a company has a steady, predictable income?
Could it be that a company could make better software with a continuous, monthly recurring revenue? Could it be that professionals could "expense", rather than "capitalize" software? Could it be that losses from software piracy and theft could be reduced?
What other benefits flow to customers when a company has a steady, predictable income?
Sep 12, 2021 12:34:47 #
Sep 12, 2021 13:01:59 #
David Martin
Loc: Cary, NC
CHG_CANON wrote:
The grass is always greener when you process with PhotoShop.
But easily corrected with white balance adjustments in other software.
And certainly easier if one shoots RAW!!!!!
Sep 12, 2021 13:29:27 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I reinstall CS6, I have to enter the current number and my CS5 number. I suspect that's how they'll stop earlier installations.
Apple is worth $2.08 trillion, yet that's not enough.
Apple is worth $2.08 trillion, yet that's not enough.
CS6 is an Adobe product, not Apple.
And the definition of "enough" is "just a little bit more".
Sep 13, 2021 07:49:41 #
SS319 said in part "I have a subscription to Adobe Photography and one to µsoft 365, and I am happy with both subscriptions. I also have subscriptions to YouTube, the Blaze, and Amazon, Oh and I pay the power company, phone company, and TV/Internet supplier monthly." SS319, is addicted and has become "at one" with software. It no longer has a name or gender, 319 is just its who... a serial number as in some sci-fi story!!
How good is good when newer is better? At some point, MS Word's newest is not really better than Word 2003. Adding AI to everything takes your control away if you do not have a manual override. How many of us use Adobe PS to it fullest when many other edit programs are competitive for a few dollars or even open-source free.
Topaz is my go-to-crutch and ever-improving. As one of the presenting Topaz Webinar Gurus said, in denoise reduce the zoom to 100 rather than the default 200 because you will never visually perceive the improvement at 200 and may overcook the photo. The more-Mpix camera game and multi-multi ink shades while great-hype for sales, can not be perceived by the human eye... even if you use the magic glasses you bought as a youth advertised on the back of the comic book.
So if very-good is good is very-very-good perceivably better and worth the money?
How good is good when newer is better? At some point, MS Word's newest is not really better than Word 2003. Adding AI to everything takes your control away if you do not have a manual override. How many of us use Adobe PS to it fullest when many other edit programs are competitive for a few dollars or even open-source free.
Topaz is my go-to-crutch and ever-improving. As one of the presenting Topaz Webinar Gurus said, in denoise reduce the zoom to 100 rather than the default 200 because you will never visually perceive the improvement at 200 and may overcook the photo. The more-Mpix camera game and multi-multi ink shades while great-hype for sales, can not be perceived by the human eye... even if you use the magic glasses you bought as a youth advertised on the back of the comic book.
So if very-good is good is very-very-good perceivably better and worth the money?
Sep 13, 2021 07:55:26 #
Thank you! You are confirming Rossman's idea: companies can do whatever they want to us, and we not only accept it; we defend it. 
You pay $200 for software, but after a few years, the company decides you can't install it anymore. You "buy" expensive software only to find that the company still owns it, and you're okay with that.
Watch the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEP_7_gx6M8
EDIT: Somewhat related. My Honda Fit needed a mass air flow sensor. I bought one at Autozone for $30. No good. I had the buy the one from Honda for almost $300. A mechanic told me that car computers can now tell if certain components are aftermarket or "genuine."
You pay $200 for software, but after a few years, the company decides you can't install it anymore. You "buy" expensive software only to find that the company still owns it, and you're okay with that.
Watch the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEP_7_gx6M8
EDIT: Somewhat related. My Honda Fit needed a mass air flow sensor. I bought one at Autozone for $30. No good. I had the buy the one from Honda for almost $300. A mechanic told me that car computers can now tell if certain components are aftermarket or "genuine."
Sep 13, 2021 07:57:03 #
dpullum wrote:
...So if very good is good is very very good really better and worth the money?
purely an individual subjective decision. Depends on what the end use of your images is and how picky you are about them.
Sep 13, 2021 08:08:33 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
purely an individual subjective decision. Depends on what the end use of your images is and how picky you are about them.
Yes, that is why we all have at least a 100x binocular microscope at our desks.
Become enlightened:
https://gizmodo.com/10-limits-to-human-perception-and-how-they-shape-yo-5926643
Ways of Seeing: The Scope and Limits of Visual Cognition
https://philpapers.org/rec/JACWOS-2
Image end-use; postage stamp or billboard... "The billboard itself is 14 feet x 48 feet in size, which comes out to 96,768 square inches, and we want to multiply that by 4x4 pixels (16), and we come up 1,548,288 pixels or 1.5 MP. "
https://fstoppers.com/originals/how-many-megapixels-do-you-need-print-billboard-220239
Sep 13, 2021 08:37:55 #
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced ... (show quote)
I am not sure how that could be possible. The photo school I attended a few years ago had Ps CS3, CS4, CS5 running with Windows XP. At home I had CS6 running with Windows Vista. I currently have the same DVD-ROM disc sourced program running on my newer PC with Windows 10. The installation is a function of the program, installation program, and operating system. Now, sure Adobe might not let you or me register an old program but they have not been providing updates to CS6 for years. I purchased my copy of Ps CS6 at the academic price that was much lower at less than $300. So I have obviously gotten my use out of it. I am thinking of moving to Ps CC Classic anyway. I am missing the improvements. I will try installing my CS6 on my wife's PC in place of the old PSE9.
Sep 13, 2021 08:39:42 #
lamiaceae wrote:
I am not sure how that could be possible. The pho... (show quote)
I don't know either, unless they reject the installation based on the serial number.
Sep 13, 2021 09:18:19 #
Sep 13, 2021 09:46:36 #
sodapop wrote:
Topaz has updated my AI Sharpen at least 4 times this year- no extra charge
With Topaz you get free updates for a year. After a year you can pay a fee and get another year. If you have multiple products you can pay a discounted fee that covers everything. It’s kind of a hybrid between a subscription model that gives you continuous updates and a product that you buy and releases updates each year that you can buy.
Sep 13, 2021 10:04:33 #
jerryc41 wrote:
The Apple loyalists will remain loyal no matter what the company does. Can't fix it? Can't modify it? That's okay, as long as it costs a lot and looks good.
Jerry you nailed it. I tell people Apple made toasters it would be a great toaster, but you would have to buy the bread from them. Apple is also designed people that don't know a lot about computers. The lack of options to upgrade an Apple is the main reason I don't use their products. I have also noted Apple techs are on the arrogant side when it come to service. They know they are the only show in town
Sep 13, 2021 10:18:28 #
I don't believe that anybody has ever owned software - what one "purchases" is a license to utilize that software. As for the concept of "renting" software, well, that is an individual preference, isn't it? If the developer chooses to license their product that way, then it is my decision whether or not to pay, on a recurring basis, to use that product. I wonder how many people who complain about this market trend purchase a car outright or lease it. Leasing a vehicle is akin to paying a monthly fee for software, at least from my vantage point.
Sep 13, 2021 10:21:16 #
I like the rental method of paying for Adobe Photoshop because this method brings periodic updates and improvements, instead of waiting for the annual upgrade for a lump-sum payment.
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced ... (show quote)
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