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Sep 12, 2021 06:48:11   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced that PS earlier than CS5 is no longer installable. Even if you have your original installation disk, you will not be able to install it on a computer.

I've mentioned Louis Rossman here before. He has a computer repair shop in Manhattan, working mainly on Apple products. He also has a daily video on YouTube. The Adobe post was from yesterday. He lamented the fact that the current trend is toward renting, rather than owning software and other products, and that there are fewer and fewer things owners are able to do to maintain what they buy. Apple and John Deere were two of the leaders in this trend, but it is spreading to car makers. Since the 1960s, I have bought service manuals for every car I've owned. Try to buy one now. Rather, you have to rent them on a daily, monthly, or annual basis. Even our military cannot repair most of its equipment. The government pays technicians big bucks to be on retainer in case something breaks.

A few weeks ago, he mentioned this "rental" item. A company is making jackets for motorcycle riders that will inflate like an airbag in case of a crash. Unfortunately, if you stop making your monthly payment, the jacket will no longer inflate. I wonder what would happen if the company went out of business.

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Sep 12, 2021 06:56:14   #
Haydon Loc: Hiding In Connecticut
 
I can see newer OS's having compatibility issues with very old installations of software. Unless Adobe placed something in the original installation file from long ago, I can't see why you won't be able to install or use it. I wish I had an older OS box to test Adobe claim.

Rossman is solely hated by Apple because of his repair business. Apple would prefer you to just buy something new if it's outside of warranty or for that matter inside of warranty. Rossman provides an affordable alternative. He also shows inspiring repairers how to fix Apple products on YT for free. I'm sure this action would encourage dislike.

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Sep 12, 2021 07:08:12   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Haydon wrote:
I can see newer OS's having compatibility issues with very old installations of software. Unless Adobe placed something in the original installation file from long ago, I can't see why you won't be able to install or use it. I wish I had an older OS box to test Adobe claim.

Rossman is solely hated by Apple because of his repair business. Apple would prefer you to just buy something new if it's outside of warranty or for that matter inside of warranty. Rossman provides an affordable alternative. He also shows inspiring repairers how to fix Apple products on YT for free. I'm sure this action would encourage dislike.
I can see newer OS's having compatibility issues w... (show quote)


Whenever I reinstall CS6, I have to enter the current number and my CS5 number. I suspect that's how they'll stop earlier installations.

Apple is worth $2.08 trillion, yet that's not enough.

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Sep 12, 2021 07:09:03   #
Wanda Krack Loc: Tennessee, USA
 
I'll be a little sarcastic here, but perhaps this will be the path toward self-destruction of a product/s.

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Sep 12, 2021 07:19:12   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I reinstall CS6, I have to enter the current number and my CS5 number. I suspect that's how they'll stop earlier installations.

Apple is worth $2.08 trillion, yet that's not enough.


Success has an ever-rising ceiling. Unsuccessful people never understand the concept. Their glass is always half empty.

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Sep 12, 2021 07:29:48   #
sodapop Loc: Belcamp, MD
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced that PS earlier than CS5 is no longer installable. Even if you have your original installation disk, you will not be able to install it on a computer.

I've mentioned Louis Rossman here before. He has a computer repair shop in Manhattan, working mainly on Apple products. He also has a daily video on YouTube. The Adobe post was from yesterday. He lamented the fact that the current trend is toward renting, rather than owning software and other products, and that there are fewer and fewer things owners are able to do to maintain what they buy. Apple and John Deere were two of the leaders in this trend, but it is spreading to car makers. Since the 1960s, I have bought service manuals for every car I've owned. Try to buy one now. Rather, you have to rent them on a daily, monthly, or annual basis. Even our military cannot repair most of its equipment. The government pays technicians big bucks to be on retainer in case something breaks.

A few weeks ago, he mentioned this "rental" item. A company is making jackets for motorcycle riders that will inflate like an airbag in case of a crash. Unfortunately, if you stop making your monthly payment, the jacket will no longer inflate. I wonder what would happen if the company went out of business.
I don't know if you saw this, but Adobe announced ... (show quote)


Or a parachute company that will no longer open.

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Sep 12, 2021 07:47:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
sodapop wrote:
Or a parachute company that will no longer open.


Don't laugh!

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Sep 12, 2021 07:48:43   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Wanda Krack wrote:
I'll be a little sarcastic here, but perhaps this will be the path toward self-destruction of a product/s.


The Apple loyalists will remain loyal no matter what the company does. Can't fix it? Can't modify it? That's okay, as long as it costs a lot and looks good.

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Sep 12, 2021 07:53:43   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
And what about continuous payments for software updates, like Topaz is doing? If the trend is followed by other software companies and right now inPixio is doing exactly that we will be paying an annual fee as if we have rented the product.

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Sep 12, 2021 08:15:52   #
sodapop Loc: Belcamp, MD
 
camerapapi wrote:
And what about continuous payments for software updates, like Topaz is doing? If the trend is followed by other software companies and right now inPixio is doing exactly that we will be paying an annual fee as if we have rented the product.


Topaz has updated my AI Sharpen at least 4 times this year- no extra charge

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Sep 12, 2021 08:30:23   #
Haydon Loc: Hiding In Connecticut
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whenever I reinstall CS6, I have to enter the current number and my CS5 number. I suspect that's how they'll stop earlier installations.

Apple is worth $2.08 trillion, yet that's not enough.


Thanks for the infor Jerry. Always worth experimenting with an offline installation ;)

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Sep 12, 2021 08:36:11   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
camerapapi wrote:
And what about continuous payments for software updates, like Topaz is doing? If the trend is followed by other software companies and right now inPixio is doing exactly that we will be paying an annual fee as if we have rented the product.

Because you have rented the product! Read the end-user agreement for any software you use; here are quotes from the Topaz end-user agreement:

"Topaz Labs LLC grants you a license to use ONE (1) copy of the version of this SOFTWARE on any TWO (2) computers for as many licenses as you purchase.
[...]
The SOFTWARE is owned and copyrighted by Topaz Labs LLC. Your license confers no title or ownership in the SOFTWARE and should not be construed as a sale of any right in the SOFTWARE."

Nobody "buys" software, just a license to use it, sometimes for a limited length of time.

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Sep 12, 2021 08:47:34   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Is this an Apple specific problem? What was the post from Adobe?

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Sep 12, 2021 09:30:47   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
camerapapi wrote:
And what about continuous payments for software updates, like Topaz is doing? If the trend is followed by other software companies and right now inPixio is doing exactly that we will be paying an annual fee as if we have rented the product.


The cost of running a software development company is high - ongoing R&D, testing, support, marketing, rent, salaries, etc. Topaz and others are allowed to make money and keep their software current and functional. I've been arguing that creating and selling upgrades is a rental scheme cloaked as an "option" to sell something called a perpetual license. As if the purchaser of said license is buying something tangible. Newsflash - they aren't. They are paying for a license that allows he use of a company's intellectual property, according to the company's terms and conditions. Software is only valid for the conditions for which it was developed. When new computers/lenses/cameras/operating systems, etc - the company has to issue an upgrade. When the extensive testing prior to a software release is not sufficiently extensive, bugs occur and must be corrected, usually with a maintenance update.

I used to develop custom software for engineering and architectural companies. The fee structure was simple - they paid for initial R&D, deployment, training, annual maintenance. Any issues that were entirely on our side I would charge nothing additional to fix (like a free update but it was built into the annual maintenance), but in the course of use, the client would often identify additional capability they would like to see in their application. So we would go to work to respond with a new version, based on the old one, but with the requested changes/additions. They would pay for that as well, and it was not part of the annual maintenance.

At least the user base for companies that sell subscriptions is large enough that they can afford to build in updates and upgrades into the subscription fee.

It sounds like you want something for nothing. There would be no software industry if everyone shared your view.

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Sep 12, 2021 10:30:56   #
SS319
 
In 1967, I reported to the laboratory at my new job, and had access to an adding machine with 12 columns with 10 digits per column - all mechanical electrical. 5 years later, when the price dropped from $180 down to $120, I bought my own calculator - for $120, it would add, subtract, multiply and divide and would display 8 digits. In January 2021, I bought a new Samsung Galaxy S21 with more computing power than we sent to the moon or out of this solar system.

I have a subscription to Adobe Photography and one to µsoft 365, and I am happy with both subscriptions. I also have subscriptions to YouTube, the Blaze, and Amazon, Oh and I pay the power company, phone company, and TV/Internet supplier monthly

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