genocolo wrote:
My original post on August 29 unintentionally and unexpectedly started a wide-ranging (15page), sometimes interesting, discussion. It was really meant only as an observation, nothing more.
That discussion confirms what we already knew, that most of us use BOTH mobile phones and dedicated, sophisticated cameras, generically described as “dslrs.” The choice often depends on a variety of factors, some of which are: “which is most readily available when the photo opportunity arises?”, “what is my target today?”, “is this a dedicated photo shoot?”, etc.
While obviously I am not arguing for or against the use of mobile phone cameras, I will say to those of you who dismiss a high quality mobile or cell phone camera as one only for “snapshots,” you should look at the results of the annual Mobile Photography Awards. Talk about “art” and “quality”! Also see Ken Rockwell’s extraordinarily positive review of the IPhone 12 Pro Max.
So, coming full circle and without trying to discover the EXIF data, which, IF ANY, of the four photos in my original post, do you believe were taken with an IPhone 12 Pro Max or with a Canon 80D with an EF 100-400mm f/4-5-6L IS II USM lens? For your convenience, I have attached the four photos again here.
After time for replies, I will post the answer if you are interested.
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Your arguments are good but very limited in scope.
It is not that a cell phone camera cannot produce a good image - indeed they can as we all know. Cell phones are extremely limited in other ways - lens selection - definitely telephoto - usually they have electronic zoom which pales in comparison to optical zoom, the ability to use filters etc., and the list goes on and on.
Most importantly, the physics of the tiny sensors in the cell phones make them inherently inferior - right now many phone manufacturer's are overcoming some of these limitations through computational photography - this is where math algorithms approximate and try to improve the defects in the limited/fragmented (noisy) data from a small sensor - and I will say for viewing small sized photos (i.e. on the phone itself or slightly bigger on a small computer screen) they do a great job.
That said the IQ from the phones are really very inferior to modern full frame digital cameras with good glass. If you don't believe me, just try to make a significant blow up of your camera phone shot.
Case in point, my friend took a great shot with him iPhone 11 MAX on a Caribbean beach of a waves crashing into a large rock and splashing - he caught the moment well and the shot (on his phone is very pretty). It was so nice, he thought he would blow it up and hang it on his wall - which he did. To his disappointment, when he received the blow up, it was very pixelated and did not look nearly as good as it had on the phone. From far away across the room, it still looks alright (and this is why Apple gets away with making bill boards and saying "shot on iPhone") but from regular viewing distance the quality is not very good and had my friend taken the same shot with a full frame modern camera he'd have a real wall hanger.
But - I would argue, phones are not supposed to be good at this - they are, in fact, designed for getting snap shots and that is what they are good at. Of course, when you display your shots in small format here on UGG it may be hard to see a difference but at 24X36 for example there will be no comparison and your phone shots will be easily recognized.
Also, I will add that the camera manufacturers have yet to incorporate much of this computational photography into their cameras - imagine how they will smoke the phones then when the phone has no advantage whatsoever and only the disadvantage of the smaller sensor (which is a matter of physics and can never be overcome).
This all said, if your point is that the phones are really good as walking around cameras and for snap shots - then yes - this is undeniable. Also, if it is between having no camera or having a phone (because they are small, light and with you anyway) then yes the phone wins here too.
But if you are trying to say that the phones actually compete with modern digital cameras on a professional level, this is totally false. They are great tool and perfect for what they are designed for - as a walk around, every day. snap shot camera that yes you can get an occasional great shot with - but never doubt that the same shot taken with a pro camera and pro glass would in every way be technically a better product and a more impressive image - cleaner, less noise, better control of DOF, better DR and the list goes on...
Still - I am glad that we all have phones that are in our pockets. I will also add as an after thought that the shooting experience with the phone also sucks in comparison to a digital camera, but it is nonetheless great to have it there in a pinch.