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Jun 21, 2021 01:49:58   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
flyfisher wrote:
Hi Hedgehogs! I know this subject has been covered in the past and I have tried to absorb as much as I can but I would appreciate someone answering my specific question if possible.

What can I use to copy 35mm & 120 slides to digital using my Nikon D7000? I don't want to remove each slide from its cardboard or plastic frame. I have an old Spiratone Vario-Dupliscope slide copier that worked well with my old FE (which, like a fool I sold) but I don't get full frame on the D7000. I also have a manual 55mm Micro Nikkor and PK-13 auto extension tube. If I bought a Nikon ES-1 copy attachment will I be able to copy the full 35mm frame on the D7000? Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated. I have a ton of Kodachromes 35mm I would like to copy.

This is a great site and I enjoy reading the posts almost daily even though I'm not a frequent poster. Thanks in advance for your comments.
Hi Hedgehogs! I know this subject has been covered... (show quote)


Thanks for asking. I am also interested in some good advice on slide film copying,
Thanks in advance.
Mundy

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Jun 21, 2021 01:57:06   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Thomas902 wrote:
flyfisher your query is not so easily answered... If indeed you are seeking to convert a significant number 35mm Kodachromes you would be far better off with the Nikon ES-2 film and slide copier.

That said I have both the Nikon ES-1 and ES-2 and trust me they're up to the task...
However the ES-2 has a more elegant interface (from my actual experience) to support a streamlined work flow paradigm. Once properly positioned on the ES-2 you can work quickly through many slides without re-positioning each slide.

However you can NOT copy glass mounted slides with the ES-2... That can only be done with the ES-1
I have a significant collection of "Chromes" from my stock agency that they glass mounted (SOP for sending out to clients back in the day). Also you need to get your head around the fact that high contrast slides will need HDR post processing.

Best advice? Get the ES-1 first, try to see if you can obtain results that meet your expectation before you purchase the more costly ES-2. Also the build quality of the ES-1 is superior... the ES-2 is far more fragile.

Your D7000 has ample acuity and resolution even for Kodachrome 25... the major issue is dynamic range (which is why I mentioned HDR)...

Final Note: I would put very little credence on any poster who does provide a sample of their slide copying efforts... There is a tad too much of uncorroborated hearsay on UHH... Ask to see results, k? Like quixdraw's thoughtful reply with example... He's been there, done that, understands what works (for him).

Below is an example of my efforts with very grainy Ektachrome Professional Infrared EIR Color Slide Film...
You be the judge...

This transparency was copied via a Nikon ES-2 Digitizing Adapter using a D810 with an AF 60mm f/2.8D Nikkor. Digitizing light source was a CREE 120 watt LED Flood Lamp K5000 +90 CRI with a frosted white diffuser
($11.47 at Home Depot)

With your DX D7000 you'll need to have an effect FL of ~40mm. The AF-S 40mm f/2.8G is recommended by Nikon.
Hope this helps flyfisher
flyfisher your query is not so easily answered... ... (show quote)


Thank you!
Mundy

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Jun 21, 2021 01:57:54   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
quixdraw wrote:
Here is a random slide D7200, M tube, AI Micro Nikkor 55mm F 1:3.5 with ES 1 hand held aimed at the blue sky. Done just now. Been a while, but I did a lot of these. When the camera, lens and adapter are one unit, I never found movement to matter. I did not clean this slide, it was in a few boxes on my desk. Canned air or a Staticamaster brush will do a decent job. With the M tube, the image is very slightly cropped. EDIT: SOOC - very slight editing improved the digital result.


Thank you!
Mundy

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Jun 21, 2021 01:59:47   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Tjohn wrote:
Short of using a scanner, I am able to copy 120 with my d800, light table, tripod, and a 120film scanning mask from Lomography (from B&H).


Thank you!
Mundy

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Jun 21, 2021 02:05:44   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
[quote=Thomas902]"what is +90 CRI"
flyfisher (CRI) is Color Rendering Index which is the measurement of how colors look under a light source when compared with sunlight. ... Lights with a CRI that is measured greater than 90 are generally considered “High CRI” lights... Meaning this illumination source is very close to "Daylight" which is what you need for "Daylight" balanced film... i.e. Kodachromes 25; 64; etc.

Ordinary "Garden" variety lights are typically lacking in a full spectrum of color wavelengths...[/quote

Thanks for the information. Most of my slides are Kodachrome 25 and 64.
Mundy

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Jun 22, 2021 11:20:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
David in Dallas wrote:
My concern was not whether or not the slides would physically fit, but whether or not the entire image would be captured. Obviously 35mm format does not fit a square image.


Basically, you have choices if you *don't* use a device that has a fixed position of the holder relative to the lens.

My setup uses a copy stand with adjustable column, a camera with macro lens, a film holder, and a light source. So long as my film holder holds the size slide or negative I want to copy, I can raise and lower the camera to compensate for film size.

In the case of a 127 super slide, I could raise the camera to get the whole slide in the frame, or lower it to crop a portion of the frame. In many cases, I would choose to crop the original.

My camera is Micro 4/3, and the full sensor area has a 4:3 aspect ratio. I can capture any size from 17.3mm by 13mm (1:1) up to 6x9 cm 120/220 format. A 1:1 macro lens on Micro 4/3 can capture about a quarter of a 35mm slide! So I have a LOT of freedom to crop larger films.

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Jun 22, 2021 11:43:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
smussler wrote:
You answered what I was wondering - is D7000 a DX. I copied about 100 slides with my D5600 and the 40mm Micro. Worked great. I had my camera on a tripod, not necessary, but made things easier. I bought my 40mm off of eBay, where I've bought all my lenses since getting my camera. No tubes needed - just the 40mm Macro and the adapter. My adapter is an ES-1, also purchased off of eBay. Neither is where I am right now. I'm looking at my eBay purchase records. I remember back when I was buying those items, I had to do a lot of hunting around on the internet to see if that combo would work. Little documentation on Nikon site about using the slide copier with a DX camera - as I remember. Instructions with ES-1, I think were all for FX camera, with 60mm Micro.
Back in Apr-2019, I paid $187 for the lens and $46 for the adapter - auction purchases, not buy it now's.

Once I get moved to my new house, I have about 1500 slides to look through and decide which to copy. Slides taken in the 1950's thru the mid 1970's or so. Most time consuming part for me is cleaning the slides of dust. One of my favorites - my sister wearing her new hat. A lot of dust seen - haven't figured out how to clean these slides, this one from around 1966. I used no special lighting, just indirect sunlight. Majority of slide is covered. Having camera on tripod, makes it easier to reposition the slide. This one not quite right - note black triangle along left side.
You answered what I was wondering - is D7000 a DX.... (show quote)


Film cleaning approach, in order of effectiveness:

>Rocket Blower Bulb (This will knock off surface dust)

>Canned Air (This will knock off surface dust but harms the environment)

>StaticMaster Brush (This removes static charges from film with a Polonium strip and then brushes away dust... the MOST effective solution for removing surface dust) (EXPENSIVE)

>Ilford Antistaticum Cloth (For tougher surface stuff — wipe VERY gently)

>Photosol PEC-12 Film Cleaner (PEC-12® is a waterless Photographic Emulsion Cleaner, suitable for use on most film and print emulsions. It is a blend of organic hydrocarbon solvents with a neutral pH and is free from chlorofluorocarbons and chlorinated hydrocarbons. It dries instantly, leaves no residue and meets archival needs. Because it contains no water, PEC-12® will not cause emulsion swelling, tackiness, water marks or other damage associated with re-washing.

PEC-12® is designed to remove non-water based stains, grease and inks from photographic emulsions and bases. It removes finger oils, grease pencil, adhesive tape residues, mildew, smoke and soot damage, gold foil stamp and most ball-point and permanent inks. It will aid in the removal of firmly affixed adhesive tape.

>Re-washing techniques (Requires knowledge of the original process. May require a stabilizer solution and/or Photo-Flo wetting agent)

Beyond the Antistaticum and gentle wiping, or PEC-12 and gentle wiping, you may need to just resort to spotting and repair in Photoshop. Any method that involves touching or wiping the film should be done with extreme caution.

I handle film with lint-free cloth gloves. My favorite tools are the Rocket Blower Bulb, a 1" StaticMaster with fresh cartridge, and PEC-12.

I took great pains when processing film to keep my negatives clean. I used fresh fixer, Heico Perma-Wash, fast moving water washes, and Photo-Flo, and dried film on a clothesline hung in a bathtub shower stall with no moving air. So even my 50+ year old B&W film is in pretty good shape. Unfortunately, some of my slides were stored in vinyl album pages for a time. They show some signs of PVC gas damage. I learned to use Polypropylene pages...

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Jun 22, 2021 22:00:27   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
burkphoto wrote:
Basically, you have choices if you *don't* use a device that has a fixed position of the holder relative to the lens.

My setup uses a copy stand with adjustable column, a camera with macro lens, a film holder, and a light source. So long as my film holder holds the size slide or negative I want to copy, I can raise and lower the camera to compensate for film size.

In the case of a 127 super slide, I could raise the camera to get the whole slide in the frame, or lower it to crop a portion of the frame. In many cases, I would choose to crop the original.

My camera is Micro 4/3, and the full sensor area has a 4:3 aspect ratio. I can capture any size from 17.3mm by 13mm (1:1) up to 6x9 cm 120/220 format. A 1:1 macro lens on Micro 4/3 can capture about a quarter of a 35mm slide! So I have a LOT of freedom to crop larger films.
Basically, you have choices if you *don't* use a d... (show quote)


Hi,
You bring some good points to the table. I shoot both 135 and 120, so I need to allow for both formats, so your information helps me. I am currently not doing any 4x4 larger format, but I styill want yo keep this option now since I am retired. I still have several larger negatives. I am receiving good advice from you and others. Thank you for the time spent on your reply.
Mundy

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Jun 22, 2021 22:15:16   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
burkphoto wrote:
Film cleaning approach, in order of effectiveness:

>Rocket Blower Bulb (This will knock off surface dust)

>Canned Air (This will knock off surface dust but harms the environment)

>StaticMaster Brush (This removes static charges from film with a Polonium strip and then brushes away dust... the MOST effective solution for removing surface dust) (EXPENSIVE)

>Ilford Antistaticum Cloth (For tougher surface stuff — wipe VERY gently)

>Photosol PEC-12 Film Cleaner (PEC-12® is a waterless Photographic Emulsion Cleaner, suitable for use on most film and print emulsions. It is a blend of organic hydrocarbon solvents with a neutral pH and is free from chlorofluorocarbons and chlorinated hydrocarbons. It dries instantly, leaves no residue and meets archival needs. Because it contains no water, PEC-12® will not cause emulsion swelling, tackiness, water marks or other damage associated with re-washing.

PEC-12® is designed to remove non-water based stains, grease and inks from photographic emulsions and bases. It removes finger oils, grease pencil, adhesive tape residues, mildew, smoke and soot damage, gold foil stamp and most ball-point and permanent inks. It will aid in the removal of firmly affixed adhesive tape.

>Re-washing techniques (Requires knowledge of the original process. May require a stabilizer solution and/or Photo-Flo wetting agent)

Beyond the Antistaticum and gentle wiping, or PEC-12 and gentle wiping, you may need to just resort to spotting and repair in Photoshop. Any method that involves touching or wiping the film should be done with extreme caution.

I handle film with lint-free cloth gloves. My favorite tools are the Rocket Blower Bulb, a 1" StaticMaster with fresh cartridge, and PEC-12.

I took great pains when processing film to keep my negatives clean. I used fresh fixer, Heico Perma-Wash, fast moving water washes, and Photo-Flo, and dried film on a clothesline hung in a bathtub shower stall with no moving air. So even my 50+ year old B&W film is in pretty good shape. Unfortunately, some of my slides were stored in vinyl album pages for a time. They show some signs of PVC gas damage. I learned to use Polypropylene pages...
Film cleaning approach, in order of effectiveness:... (show quote)


Another informative reply and thank you. I will review your procedure and take a look at the StaticMaster and PEC-12. My old box of lint free gloves need to be tossed. This weekend I hope to drag out some of my boxes of dartkroom supplies and see what I need. I just moved recently, so I have boxes and more boxes.. I did a fair job on storing my film negatives and slides, so they are in good shape, at least what I have reviewed.
Thanks again.
Mundy.

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Jul 15, 2021 18:01:39   #
Boney Loc: Huntington Beach
 
Hello FlyFisher, I have been in your position and have gone through several of the processes that have been recommended. I am 81 and have several thousand slides, then a few years ago my parents passed and I inherited all of their slides and pictures. My father had thousands of slides also. So without thought I proceded to start copying them using an Epson flatbed scanner. After doing just a few I realized that I would be copying slides until my time to leave the planet. Coincidentally friend of mine was going through the same thing. So I thought about this whole issue. What am I going to do with all these copied pictures? Pass them down through the family. Well it turns out that there is very little interest by the family to have these pictures. So after considering all things I decided that I would only copy those pictures with family in them and any with very unique makeup. Those great shots of the Eiffel tower could be dumped since I can get great copy of things like that. Same for the Grand Canyon and so on.
So I looked around for something that would do the job but much faster than using up the life of my flatbed scanner. I ended up buying a cheap slide scanner. Costco was selling them at the time for around $70. It was copier made by Wolverine. This type has a full frame imager, like a camera to capture the copy. It is not scanned, but rather photographed. So I bought it. With this device one can copy a slide every few seconds. The quality was acceptable. In fact if I compared it to the high resolution scanner copies, they were darned good.
So now I am able to make copies of the pictures that possibly might have some interest to my progeny and not consume the life of my flatbed scanner. If I run into any of those wonderful shots, I will simply keep the slide and do whatever in the future with it.
We all have different circumstances. If you are 21 then maybe you want all of those slide copies for the next 70 years. But if you are getting along in life then take a more pragmatic approach. When I finish with my task I will have the pictures digitized plus a collection of really interesting slides. Remember just keeping the slides do not take up much room. I just located acid free cardboard boxes to store slides out of the slide trays so they don't take up much room.
Amazon has a large number of slide copiers at all prices and they also sell the 2 x 2 slide boxes. Look under 2 x 2 coin storage boxes.
Good luck with your copying.

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Oct 4, 2021 16:19:24   #
Dickwood33 Loc: Alberta, Canada
 
Update to my previous post 7/25. I now use an Olympus 25mm (50mm FF equiv.) macro lens. Works like a charm, got it for a song from MPB. Suspect there are not too many "short" macro users hence the price.

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Oct 4, 2021 19:24:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Dickwood33 wrote:
Update to my previous post 7/25. I now use an Olympus 25mm (50mm FF equiv.) macro lens. Works like a charm, got it for a song from MPB. Suspect there are not too many "short" macro users hence the price.


Olympus and Panasonic both make 30mm Micro 4/3 macro lenses, but the 25s are all regular normal lenses. Are you sure it's not this one?:

https://www.m43lenses.com/olympus-30mm-f3.5-macro/

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Oct 4, 2021 19:39:41   #
smussler Loc: Land O Lakes, FL - Formerly Miller Place, NY
 


I use it with a cropped sensor D5600 with a 40mm Micro Nikkor. Works great.

Sample:


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