Interesting Take on Electric Cars
Dec 4, 2020 07:47:57 #
I know of several EV users who charge with solar systems only. As for solar and wind being not yet more cost effective than other methods I believe this is not correct.
Dec 4, 2020 07:54:38 #
Bbarn
Loc: Ohio
Costs at charging stations (for a faster charge on the run) run considerably more, about $.40 per kWhr. Which translates to roughly 10 miles per $1.50.
Dec 4, 2020 08:06:31 #
chase4 wrote:
Interested in what the engineers or others with kn... (show quote)
I think the numbers in the second to last paragraph are probably off by a factor of ten. I don’t know of any residential customers paying $1.16 per kWh. A more likely rate would be $.116. That would compute to $1.86 to charge the battery.
Dec 4, 2020 08:18:03 #
Wow, with his electric cars, efficient solar energy, battery miracle storage, obviously un-american-anti-petroleum, Elon Musk is not a true American. Oh! That's right, he isn't he is from South Africa, not South America [Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, and well god love it Texas].
Add that [Musk again!]solar farm battery storage stuff like in Australia, to USA decades long blocked Thorium safe nuclear reactors and we would devastate the American we know and love, soot, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, frack gas in our water, and those exciting oil spills that kill fish and wildlife and perhaps finish off those pesky indigenous Indians.
With Thorium reactors, we will lose out on the thrills and sensational news about Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Fuchichima. sssssh, we do not mention the fast breeder plutonium sodium-metal-cooled reactor Fermi One a few miles from Detroit.
https://archive.org/details/1975-jgf-we-almost-lost-detroit
Should we get rid of our need for Oil, natural gas, and beloved clean coal? Without coal minors and black-lung disease, what would Pulmonologists [lung doctors], and oxygen tank suppliers do for a living?
For those of you who do not know about and love Thorium Reactors for energy. A quick 5 minute education:
https://amara.org/en/videos/0yrD1EyHDHI4/info/lftr-in-5-minutes-thorium-remix-2011-torij-torija-torio-toriumu/
Other countries, especially China and India are leaving USA in its conservative, "but that's not what we do" dust.
"The MSRE <molten salt>reactor, built at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, operated critical for roughly 15,000 hours from 1965 to 1969. In 1968, Nobel laureate and discoverer of Plutonium, Glenn Seaborg, publicly announced to the Atomic Energy Commission, of which he was chairman, that the thorium-based reactor had been successfully developed and tested. " Nixon to make Petro industry and water-cooled reactor companies happy had the project dropped and ordered all information be destroyed ... but individuals took it home.
Work on Thorium Reactors is once again active: United States, United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, India, China, France, the Czech Republic, Japan, Russia, Canada, Israel, Denmark, and the Netherlands. We could have had it decades ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
Add that [Musk again!]solar farm battery storage stuff like in Australia, to USA decades long blocked Thorium safe nuclear reactors and we would devastate the American we know and love, soot, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, frack gas in our water, and those exciting oil spills that kill fish and wildlife and perhaps finish off those pesky indigenous Indians.
With Thorium reactors, we will lose out on the thrills and sensational news about Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Fuchichima. sssssh, we do not mention the fast breeder plutonium sodium-metal-cooled reactor Fermi One a few miles from Detroit.
https://archive.org/details/1975-jgf-we-almost-lost-detroit
Should we get rid of our need for Oil, natural gas, and beloved clean coal? Without coal minors and black-lung disease, what would Pulmonologists [lung doctors], and oxygen tank suppliers do for a living?
For those of you who do not know about and love Thorium Reactors for energy. A quick 5 minute education:
https://amara.org/en/videos/0yrD1EyHDHI4/info/lftr-in-5-minutes-thorium-remix-2011-torij-torija-torio-toriumu/
Other countries, especially China and India are leaving USA in its conservative, "but that's not what we do" dust.
"The MSRE <molten salt>reactor, built at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, operated critical for roughly 15,000 hours from 1965 to 1969. In 1968, Nobel laureate and discoverer of Plutonium, Glenn Seaborg, publicly announced to the Atomic Energy Commission, of which he was chairman, that the thorium-based reactor had been successfully developed and tested. " Nixon to make Petro industry and water-cooled reactor companies happy had the project dropped and ordered all information be destroyed ... but individuals took it home.
Work on Thorium Reactors is once again active: United States, United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, India, China, France, the Czech Republic, Japan, Russia, Canada, Israel, Denmark, and the Netherlands. We could have had it decades ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
Dec 4, 2020 08:18:31 #
cytafex
Loc: Clarksburg MA
As a neighbor of Hoosac Wind I can say from personal experience industrial wind turbines are the Neighbors from Hell...
Dec 4, 2020 08:22:28 #
[quote=chase4]Interested in what the engineers or others with knowledge and/or experience in this field have to say about this man's comments. I did not write this, it was sent by a friend. chase
To all that have replied: Please note that I stated that I DID NOT write this article and was interested in what others had to say about it. Also I live in SoCal and pay about $0.30 or 30 cents per kwh so the figure of $1.16 in the article seems well out of line. Best to all, chase
To all that have replied: Please note that I stated that I DID NOT write this article and was interested in what others had to say about it. Also I live in SoCal and pay about $0.30 or 30 cents per kwh so the figure of $1.16 in the article seems well out of line. Best to all, chase
Dec 4, 2020 08:36:33 #
I’ve seen this before. It comes from fossil fuel or departments. Where it isn’t inaccurate, it’s misleading.
You don’t need 75 watt service, you get 40 watt service, same as dryers, ac’s, stoves, etc.
It’s true we don’t pay for roads, except through tolls. Gas and diesel vehicles don’t pay for all the damage they do to our sir, water, land and our health. If just our health were taken into account, the gas price would double at least. Throw in clean up and you can double it again.
EV’s are highly efficient. Just look at what isn’t there. No big gas engine, no fluids, no exhaust, no transmission.
Every Tesla owner that I’ve met loves their car.
You don’t need 75 watt service, you get 40 watt service, same as dryers, ac’s, stoves, etc.
It’s true we don’t pay for roads, except through tolls. Gas and diesel vehicles don’t pay for all the damage they do to our sir, water, land and our health. If just our health were taken into account, the gas price would double at least. Throw in clean up and you can double it again.
EV’s are highly efficient. Just look at what isn’t there. No big gas engine, no fluids, no exhaust, no transmission.
Every Tesla owner that I’ve met loves their car.
Dec 4, 2020 08:41:01 #
berchman
Loc: South Central PA
I guess that General Motors, Mercedes, BMW, Kia, Volkswagon don't know what they're doing, since they're all offering electric cars and developing additional models. Just go to YouTube and watch videos of people taking long trips from the East Coast to Alaska in a Tesla and people in Canada and Minnesota driving their Teslas in the winter. I'm waiting for their Cybertruck.
Dec 4, 2020 08:55:27 #
cytafex wrote:
As a neighbor of Hoosac Wind I can say from personal experience industrial wind turbines are the Neighbors from Hell...
Try a coal fired power plant. Forget about keeping paint on your cars in good shape.
Dec 4, 2020 08:55:51 #
chase4 wrote:
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Well, finally someone has come up with answers to the questions I've had all along about EVs. I've maintained that until they come up with an EV that is self-charging, I'm not interested. And the question of the gasoline taxes, presently generated to take care of road infrastructure, going away as more and more EVs took to the highways, has also loomed unasked. We will always need oil for plastics, asphalt, clothing, etc. When those who think they know more than the people who elected them only look at an issue from one side and refuse to be objective, We the People are in dire straights. Thanks again for your input into a very sticky issue.
Dec 4, 2020 09:04:48 #
Bbarn
Loc: Ohio
Even with the various government EV incentives, the market still prefers petrol power for a variety of reasons. No reason the EV should'nt earn it's share of the market.
Dec 4, 2020 09:09:37 #
chase4 wrote:
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Full of misinformation. It doesn’t take 10 hours to recharge......that’s on household current. The fast chargers do it in less than 30 min. The 10 hours or less is overnight on the household current.
Dec 4, 2020 09:10:13 #
chase4 wrote:
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Why is the debate about fossil fuels vs electric? Those are only two sources of power. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the world and is used in powering vehicles -- why not expand research into that and other possible means of generating power?
Dec 4, 2020 09:10:25 #
Woodworm65
Loc: Lombard, IL
The solution is produce more efficient hybrid cars I myself own one and burn half the amount of fuel I did in a total gas vehicle.
Dec 4, 2020 09:16:51 #
The "anti electric" arguments would hold true for gasoline back in the late 1800's when auto makers were switching from then-common electric motors to gasoline engines. Back then, electricity was an established automobile "fuel" while gasoline cars were highly inefficient, expensive, hard to start and run and gas was expensive and hard to find.
Charging on standard home current is slow but most electric vehicle (EV) owners charge their cars overnight when electricity demand is low and the charging time doesn't matter. Admittedly, driving range is an issue although again, most EV owners use their vehicles for trips where the battery capacity is enough for the round trip, such as commuting to work and back. And yes, EV's require grid-supplied electricity but power plants are far less pollutive than motor vehicles.
I agree the tax issue is real. If EVs don't pay gas taxes for highway maintenance, the money has to come from somewhere. Many towns and states are grappling with this issue and are looking at an annual highway fee attached to the annual registration fee. Legislators are pretty creative when it comes to generating revenue; I'm sure they'll come up with a way to level the playing field in this area.
Charging on standard home current is slow but most electric vehicle (EV) owners charge their cars overnight when electricity demand is low and the charging time doesn't matter. Admittedly, driving range is an issue although again, most EV owners use their vehicles for trips where the battery capacity is enough for the round trip, such as commuting to work and back. And yes, EV's require grid-supplied electricity but power plants are far less pollutive than motor vehicles.
I agree the tax issue is real. If EVs don't pay gas taxes for highway maintenance, the money has to come from somewhere. Many towns and states are grappling with this issue and are looking at an annual highway fee attached to the annual registration fee. Legislators are pretty creative when it comes to generating revenue; I'm sure they'll come up with a way to level the playing field in this area.
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