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Dec 1, 2020 12:00:25   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I really haven’t done much interaction with EBay. Obviously. I am assuming that the buyer has no recourse but they do considerably. I may be conservative in my approach but I am always prepared for the worst that could happen. I didn’t realize that EBay is not an ordinary merchant.

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Dec 1, 2020 12:03:48   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Mac wrote:
From what I could find on e-bay there is nothing listed for NIB meaning anything. It doesn’t really matter what NIB means to you, or what NIB means on other forums. It doesn’t matter what common sense says NIB means or what logic dictates NIB means, and it doesn’t matter what NIB should mean. Within the confines of e-bay, which is where this transaction took place, NIB has no meaning. Ethically the seller is wrong and I would not and will not buy from that seller. I am not a lawyer, but I am afraid there may be no legal recourse.
From what I could find on e-bay there is nothing l... (show quote)


Agree. Although the expectation for most people regarding the meaning of NIB may be similar, it is certainly not a legal term. If the seller had indicated that the product was never used and came with all packaging, accessories and documentation there might be greater leeway for the buyer to argue the product was not delivered as described.

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Dec 1, 2020 12:07:15   #
rcarol
 
Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. Most of you share my opinion while a few disagreed. In either case, your responses have given me the ammunition I need to proceed with contacting the seller and challenge his representation of the product. If I receive no response from the seller or a response that I feel is not equatable, I will proceed to contact eBay. Again, thank you for all of your responses. Stay safe.

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Dec 1, 2020 12:37:19   #
Swifty Loc: Canfield Ohio
 
Just contact eBay and ask them !!! They are very rigid in how items are described and NIB typically means new in Box

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Dec 1, 2020 12:37:39   #
WJB Loc: Salisbury, MD
 
[quote=rcarol][quote=jeweler53]post the original listing.[/

I made a copy of the original listing which I cannot find at the moment. But I went to My eBay and retrieved the following link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NIKON-COOLPIX-P7800-CAS000388/373320624446?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

If you scroll down you will see that the seller describes the offering as "new" and what is included.[/quote]

Seller doesn't have any leg (s) to stand on. A clear misrepresentation.

Bill

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Dec 1, 2020 12:38:54   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
rcarol wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. Most of you share my opinion while a few disagreed. In either case, your responses have given me the ammunition I need to proceed with contacting the seller and challenge his representation of the product. If I receive no response from the seller or a response that I feel is not equatable, I will proceed to contact eBay. Again, thank you for all of your responses. Stay safe.


That's the ticket, proceed honorably, chances are the seller will either offer up some compensation (negotiation - some refund), or simply concede....if not, you know what to do!!! The honorable sellers do not want their name trashed. Fight the good fight, and good luck!

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Dec 1, 2020 12:45:09   #
Stanj
 
Longshadow wrote:
"NIB" to me is New In Box,
Off the shelf, never used.


That's it, for sure!

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Dec 1, 2020 12:55:14   #
Flash Falasca Loc: Beverly Hills, Florida
 
"NIB" to me is New In Box,
Off the shelf, never used.

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Dec 1, 2020 13:50:03   #
kenregen
 
Send it back!!!!

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Dec 1, 2020 14:56:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
rcarol wrote:
I would like the collective opinion of this community for an interpretation of NIB before I take the seller to task. I purchased a camera from a seller on eBay and it was advertised as NIB. I expected to get a brand new unused camera with all cables and documentation in the manufacturer's original packaging. What I received is a camera with a filter on the lens that was overly tightened, a charger, and a battery. Admittedly, the camera was in pristine condition. However, the charger clearly was previously used since it had many scuff marks on it. There was no documentation and no cables. Furthermore, none of the Nikon original packaging was included. I intend to notify the seller that he misrepresented the offering but before I do so, I want to know how the community interprets NIB. Thanks for your input.
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You should also check the camera's shutter count, if possible. Depends on model, but I think many Nikon record it in the EXIF of each image.

This would give you a truly irrefutable ammunition to file a complaint.

NIB or "New in box" means just what it says. It's brand new and has never been used. Even "open box" don't qualify. Nor to "refurbished".

What you got might be described as "like new" condition (the camera alone, not the charger), but that's not the same as NIB.

The missing items you noted (the manufacuter's website will usually tell you exactly what's included) also should always be found with anything described as NIB.

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Dec 1, 2020 16:22:11   #
rlynes Loc: Wisconsin
 
Point of reference, I usually look for a 98%+ approval rating for sellers and view past 12-18 month buyer reviews.

If they look hinkey, they probably are.

This sellers ad very clearly states 'New'. They also only have a just over 90% percent 'Seller Rating', that means that one buyer in ten is not satisfied. It would have been a no-go for me.

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Dec 1, 2020 16:22:49   #
Leo_B Loc: Houston suburb
 
Brand new. Bought it. Took it home. Maybe took it out of the bag to handle a bit. Didn't open small bags of bits and bobs. Everything included. Everything. Including blank warranty card etc.. Otherwise it's LNIB at best and that would mean no scuffs or scrapes or missing bits whether product or paperwork. Sounds like you got at most an EXC condition which is two steps down from NIB. YMMV.

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Dec 1, 2020 16:28:12   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
rcarol wrote:
I would like the collective opinion of this community for an interpretation of NIB before I take the seller to task. I purchased a camera from a seller on eBay and it was advertised as NIB. I expected to get a brand new unused camera with all cables and documentation in the manufacturer's original packaging. What I received is a camera with a filter on the lens that was overly tightened, a charger, and a battery. Admittedly, the camera was in pristine condition. However, the charger clearly was previously used since it had many scuff marks on it. There was no documentation and no cables. Furthermore, none of the Nikon original packaging was included. I intend to notify the seller that he misrepresented the offering but before I do so, I want to know how the community interprets NIB. Thanks for your input.
I would like the collective opinion of this commun... (show quote)


You have a decision to make.
1. check the shutter count on the camera, is it 0 or close to 0.
2. is the price good, I am assuming the camera is in at least mint condition with the battery charger in used condition, which means nothing, it's the camera that counts.
3. how does the price you paid compare to others in similar condition? did you get a deal? are you satisfied?
You can always write the seller and tell him/her that the camera is not as advertised/ ebay will allow a refund if not as advertised. Will the seller give you a few more dollars if you agree to keep it?
Wheelin' and dealin' baby, work it to your advantage until you are satisfied.

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Dec 1, 2020 18:05:01   #
contax84
 
Either return the camera for a full refund or negotiate with the seller for a partial and keep the camera, but test it well before keeping it. You don't know what else might be wrong. it is definitely NOT NIB.

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Dec 1, 2020 18:36:57   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
amfoto1 wrote:
You should also check the camera's shutter count, if possible. Depends on model, but I think many Nikon record it in the EXIF of each image.

This would give you a truly irrefutable ammunition to file a complaint.

NIB or "New in box" means just what it says. It's brand new and has never been used. Even "open box" don't qualify. Nor to "refurbished".

What you got might be described as "like new" condition (the camera alone, not the charger), but that's not the same as NIB.

The missing items you noted (the manufacuter's website will usually tell you exactly what's included) also should always be found with anything described as NIB.
You should also check the camera's shutter count, ... (show quote)


The definition of ‘NEW’ in a legal sense can vary from state to state.

As a general rule it means that it has never had ownership transferred to a retail buyer.

Essentially everything sold in a pawn shop would fail to meet this standard.

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