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Aug 15, 2020 21:45:14   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Having admired StanMac's sooc images here, I decided to try a raw+jpg with the same camera (Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS100).

I would like to match the colors of the raw to the jpg shown below. In my PSE's ACR section, I have tried changing WB (in-camera set to auto) and vibrance, and in the main workspace I've tried various combinations of single and global color saturation, brightness etc, but can't find the right recipe.

#2 is the raw file, if anyone is interested in puzzle-solving and educating me on what I'm seeing Thank you!!

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Evening Linda
What an interesting subject. I think You need find out the parameters your camera uses to convert a raw file to RGB.

The camera takes a raw image then the camera's microprocessor converts the raw data into an RGB pixel values, apllies WB, saturation, sharpening & a host of other adjustments according to a pre-determined formula by the camera. Then it down samples the information to 8 bits and compresses it.

The big question is can you match a raw to JPG? Probably with enough time. But why would you, you already have the jpg and the raw file.

I know this doesn't fully answer the question, but that's my take on the subject and I could be wrong.

Have a wonderful evening & stay well
Steve

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Aug 16, 2020 04:29:45   #
Waterfall9
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Having admired StanMac's sooc images here, I decided to try a raw+jpg with the same camera (Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS100).

I would like to match the colors of the raw to the jpg shown below. In my PSE's ACR section, I have tried changing WB (in-camera set to auto) and vibrance, and in the main workspace I've tried various combinations of single and global color saturation, brightness etc, but can't find the right recipe.

#2 is the raw file, if anyone is interested in puzzle-solving and educating me on what I'm seeing Thank you!!

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Having admired StanMac's sooc images url=https://... (show quote)


I recently watched an interesting approach to working up the color of an image as suggested by Blake Rudis. 1--get your color balance the way you like 2-look at the effect of the sliders in the camera calibration. Each slider actually affects more than the color listed on the slider as for example red is composed of more than just red. It is my understanding that these four sliders, red primary, green primary, blue primary and shadow adjust your pictures in the way the camera program did automatically to make the jpg. You can be creative or use the various camera profiles listed above the sliders. The third step is to use your color mixer which has a great but complex of possibilities and then the fourth step is to use graduated filters to color grade after all photoshop work is complete. You may not have the latest awesome photoshop browser, so the last two steps my not be easy but the camera calibration should be there for you and I find it useful. Blake has a blog which promotes an excellent F64 program and delivers free information outside of F 64 on that blog. Check him out as he is an excellent artist, photographer and teacher. I try never to miss Friday lessons. Between Blake and UHH I have learned a lot about how programs help us.
I had a three terabyte system crash recently so I can't test your image, but if I were trying to match a raw file to a jpg I would start with the camera calibration-and maybe you will find a combination of color that looks more like what you saw without matching either

Bottom line comes down to the fact that you are an artist and you just use what you like. I admire what you do for all of us on UHH.

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Aug 16, 2020 06:25:16   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Steve DeMott wrote:
Evening Linda
What an interesting subject. I think You need find out the parameters your camera uses to convert a raw file to RGB.

The camera takes a raw image then the camera's microprocessor converts the raw data into an RGB pixel values, apllies WB, saturation, sharpening & a host of other adjustments according to a pre-determined formula by the camera. Then it down samples the information to 8 bits and compresses it.

The big question is can you match a raw to JPG? Probably with enough time. But why would you, you already have the jpg and the raw file.

I know this doesn't fully answer the question, but that's my take on the subject and I could be wrong.

Have a wonderful evening & stay well
Steve
Evening Linda br What an interesting subject. I th... (show quote)
I see I thoroughly underestimated the technical complexity of my "simple" question 😀 I was curious when I couldn't easily match them, so I brought the question to the group. This has been a learning experience, for sure. I appreciate your information, Steve!

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Aug 16, 2020 06:29:34   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I see I thoroughly underestimated the technical complexity of my "simple" question 😀 I was curious when I couldn't easily match them, so I brought the question to the group. This has been a learning experience, for sure. I appreciate your information, Steve!


Thinking back to earlier posts about saturation when shooting red blossoms, perhaps the problem isn't just about adding green or yellow, or WB or Tint shifts. Perhaps it includes subduing red a bit.

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Aug 16, 2020 06:32:41   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Waterfall9 wrote:
I recently watched an interesting approach to working up the color of an image as suggested by Blake Rudis. 1--get your color balance the way you like 2-look at the effect of the sliders in the camera calibration. Each slider actually affects more than the color listed on the slider as for example red is composed of more than just red. It is my understanding that these four sliders, red primary, green primary, blue primary and shadow adjust your pictures in the way the camera program did automatically to make the jpg. You can be creative or use the various camera profiles listed above the sliders. The third step is to use your color mixer which has a great but complex of possibilities and then the fourth step is to use graduated filters to color grade after all photoshop work is complete. You may not have the latest awesome photoshop browser, so the last two steps my not be easy but the camera calibration should be there for you and I find it useful. Blake has a blog which promotes an excellent F64 program and delivers free information outside of F 64 on that blog. Check him out as he is an excellent artist, photographer and teacher. I try never to miss Friday lessons. Between Blake and UHH I have learned a lot about how programs help us.
I had a three terabyte system crash recently so I can't test your image, but if I were trying to match a raw file to a jpg I would start with the camera calibration-and maybe you will find a combination of color that looks more like what you saw without matching either

Bottom line comes down to the fact that you are an artist and you just use what you like. I admire what you do for all of us on UHH.
I recently watched an interesting approach to work... (show quote)
Thank you, Lynne. I see you are back to your old user name

I never did make it to my editing computer yesterday after replying to Ourspolair. But I'll try to interpret the information you've provided into PS Elements and let you know (I don't have Photoshop). Much appreciated!

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Aug 16, 2020 06:35:21   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
R.G. wrote:
Thinking back to earlier posts about saturation when shooting red blossoms, perhaps the problem isn't just about adding green or yellow, or WB or Tint shifts. Perhaps it includes subduing red a bit.
That makes sense. It's going to be in "triple digits" today (a condition known only to Fahrenheit users ) so I will have time to do more controlled tests. Thanks much!

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Aug 16, 2020 10:13:35   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
So I finally tried the "camera neutral" option that Ourspolair mentioned yesterday. A single click gave me a result nearly indistinguishable from the sooc jpg. Sometimes I'm truly amazed at the depth of my ignorance 😉

A screen print below shows where to find this tab for those who have PS Elements. In ACR, it is the third icon over, and the dropdown menu within is titled Camera Profile.

See Waterfall9's comments for those with PS, and information about Blake Rudis's blog.

Thank you all very much for your time and input!


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Aug 16, 2020 10:19:52   #
Ourspolair
 
Glad to be of help!
Have a wonderful day!

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Aug 16, 2020 10:53:54   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Ourspolair wrote:
Glad to be of help!
Have a wonderful day!
🤗

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