Do you see what I see? (Page 4): In Indiana, something like 90% of the reported deaths are 'confirmed' https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/ {'probable' cases are reported at the bottom of...

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Wuligal wrote:

Thank you Daryl for the detailed information. I guess I'm just getting weary. Lies are dangerous but a half truth is worse.

In Indiana, something like 90% of the reported deaths are 'confirmed'
https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/
{'probable' cases are reported at the bottom of the page}.

jayluber Loc: Phoenix, AZ

I think death rates are a completely different situation from survivor rates and post illness effects.
Death rates - the statistic that so many refer to - are low for the Covid.
I can't argue lingering or continuing distress.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

The best statistics are coming out of John Hopkins Medical. They started dedicated data collection and have been leaders in honing the statistical models. No shoving politics in.

Rick-ws Loc: Seattle or North Idaho

I see what Doc Barry noted. Too many places where none have recovered.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

jayluber wrote:

Even if under reported by 5 times rate would be 0.86%

And then there are the asymptomatic and those with minor illness that are not reported. Some claim those are ten or more times the reported, so actual death rate is 0.46% or less.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

Rick-ws wrote:

I see what Doc Barry noted. Too many places where none have recovered.

There is a question as to when someone is recovered. I’m sure some will argue that you have to watch for months before claiming full recovery.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

rehess wrote:

In Indiana, something like 90% of the reported deaths are 'confirmed'
https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/
{'probable' cases are reported at the bottom of the page}.

That shows a 5% death rate. But if you buy 10 unreported cases for each confirmed case the death rate is 0.5%.

marine73 Loc: Modesto California

John_F wrote:

The best statistics are coming out of John Hopkins Medical. They started dedicated data collection and have been leaders in honing the statistical models. No shoving politics in.

The stats coming from worldofmeters and John Hopkins is real close, both get their info from the CDC. Also keep in mine that anytime some gets the test and it is positive that everyone one living in the household is considered positive until cleared by a Dr or a covid test. Example: if a household has 5 people living in it and one test positive the report to CDC will show 5 positives. This is one reason there is a spike in numbers, another is the results from 3-7 days previous. Just look at the graphs they show a decline for several days then all of a sudden there is a big jump in the numbers. Also keep in mind that John Hopkins and worldofmeters update there information once a day. Both sites will tell you when and what time they do the update

Daryls Loc: Waco, TX

rehess wrote:

But the numbers overwhelming hospitals are real.

Rehess,

For sure, in some hospitals, but not the majority across the nation. In addition, the USA still has the capability to establish new overflow care centers for COVID-19 patients should that become necessary or desirable. So far it isn't. And we still have the hospital shops available that aren't being used yet either. We have the capability to handle this pandemic, but I believe it comes down to political will to do so.

Daryl

Daryls Loc: Waco, TX

Wuligal wrote:

Thank you Daryl for the detailed information. I guess I'm just getting weary. Lies are dangerous but a half truth is worse.

Wuligal,

You got that right! It isn't the data being reported that bothers me. Data is data, IF the reports specify the true results of what and how that data was obtained as well as reported. What really gets me down is all the oddball conclusions based on very limited data and the ensuing pronouncements of what we all must do now. And then once we do that, those same "experts" tell us to do the opposite or we could all die. I end up trusting the data itself more than what the "experts" tell us the data represents and means to our lives. I am smart enough, and educated enough, and experienced enough to research and draw my own conclusions based upon my critical thinking skills. I pray more people will do the same and stop listening to the dire predictions of these so called "experts" who continuously get it wrong! Time will tell.

Daryl

Daryls Loc: Waco, TX

marine73 wrote:

The stats coming from worldofmeters and John Hopki... (show quote)

Marine73,

Another reason the number of cases is increasing rather quickly is all the people travelling again AND the college students holding COVID-19 Parties to purposely pass the infection along to everyone who attends. Then these kids travel elsewhere and pass it along to other susceptible people. How stupid can someone get????

Daryl

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

IDguy wrote:

And then there are the asymptomatic and those with minor illness that are not reported. Some claim those are ten or more times the reported, so actual death rate is 0.46% or less.

Indiana’s random tests have shown that 43% Covid cases are asymptomatic/presymptomatic, so I’m not convinced of those ‘ten times’ reports.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Daryls wrote:

Rehess,

For sure, in some hospitals, but not the majority across the nation. In addition, the USA still has the capability to establish new overflow care centers for COVID-19 patients should that become necessary or desirable. So far it isn't. And we still have the hospital shops available that aren't being used yet either. We have the capability to handle this pandemic, but I believe it comes down to political will to do so.

Daryl

A doctor/administrator of a hospital network interviewed on TV said his hospital was at 90% ICU capacity but that only 15% were Covid - most of the rest were people with new problems, accidents and a large % who had not kept up treatments or gone in for other problems during the quarantine and had gotten much worse who finally came in when they started doing electives again or suddenly got so bad they couldn't ignore it any more. Many of them were heart and cancer patients or other chronic conditions that should have been having regular treatments but they were scared off by the Covid threat.

I had to go to the urgent care and then two days later the ER when I injured my leg and got an infection. The place was almost a ghost town with most of the few who people who were there looking so bad off you could tell they should have come in much sooner. But had been scared off. When I asked the doctors and nurses told me that I was correct in thinking that. They said many of them had been forced to come by family or hauled in by ambulance when family called 911.

Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

As of today,Thursday, July, 9th, there have been 135,240 deaths caused by Covid 19.
According to the latest NBC and MSNBC calculations, which were published 12 hours ago, the average death rate from Covid19 is now 489 persons per day or 178,485 deaths per year. We (all age groups) are more likely to die from Heart disease, a stroke, cancer, a car accident or a respiratory diseases than from Covid19.

Daryls Loc: Waco, TX

robertjerl wrote:

A doctor/administrator of a hospital network inter... (show quote)

Robertjerl,

That is not good decision making. People should seek treatment right away if they need it instead of waiting. Things will only get worse that way and will be more difficult to treat.

Daryl