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Jul 9, 2020 16:18:21   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
A doctor/administrator of a hospital network interviewed on TV said his hospital was at 90% ICU capacity but that only 15% were Covid - most of the rest were people with new problems, accidents and a large % who had not kept up treatments or gone in for other problems during the quarantine and had gotten much worse who finally came in when they started doing electives again or suddenly got so bad they couldn't ignore it any more. Many of them were heart and cancer patients or other chronic conditions that should have been having regular treatments but they were scared off by the Covid threat.

I had to go to the urgent care and then two days later the ER when I injured my leg and got an infection. The place was almost a ghost town with most of the few who people who were there looking so bad off you could tell they should have come in much sooner. But had been scared off. When I asked the doctors and nurses told me that I was correct in thinking that. They said many of them had been forced to come by family or hauled in by ambulance when family called 911.
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Part of the reason for being careful is to leave ICU facilities free. Our Governor has kept one eye on the stats as he ‘re-opens’. Right now, 37% ICU beds are free statewide {about 50% are occupied because of non-Covid reasons}, although news reports have expressed concerns about our neighboring county.

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Jul 9, 2020 16:35:02   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
Wuligal wrote:
As of today,Thursday, July, 9th, there have been 135,240 deaths caused by Covid 19.
According to the latest NBC and MSNBC calculations, which were published 12 hours ago, the average death rate from Covid19 is now 489 persons per day or 178,485 deaths per year. We (all age groups) are more likely to die from Heart disease, a stroke, cancer, a car accident or a respiratory diseases than from Covid19.



Wuligal,

If you look at the annual mortality rate (all causes) for the USA, you see that the annual death rate (per 100,000 population) in 2020 is following the trend line since 2008 (the last three years are shown below), even with COVID-19 taken into account. In 1950, our death rate was 9.649! It didn't start dropping until 1969 and it started its upward trend again in 2008 at 8.124.

YEAR DEATH RATE GROWTH RATE
2020 8.880 1.120%
2019 8.782 1.120%
2018 8.685 1.220%
2017 8.580 1.240%

See the graph and historical data at:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

The big spike in our death rate occurred in 2013-2014 when it jumped from 8.159 (0.090%) in 2013 to 2014 8.264 (1.290%) in 2014.

Daryl

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Jul 9, 2020 17:59:50   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Daryls wrote:
Robertjerl,

That is not good decision making. People should seek treatment right away if they need it instead of waiting. Things will only get worse that way and will be more difficult to treat.

Daryl


But so many people are totally freaked out they aren't really thinking and that was from the media/publicity/political campaign that bombarded them relentlessly in such an extreme over reaction/reporting.

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Jul 9, 2020 18:03:25   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Daryls wrote:
Wuligal,

If you look at the annual mortality rate (all causes) for the USA, you see that the annual death rate (per 100,000 population) in 2020 is following the trend line since 2008 (the last three years are shown below), even with COVID-19 taken into account. In 1950, our death rate was 9.649! It didn't start dropping until 1969 and it started its upward trend again in 2008 at 8.124.

YEAR DEATH RATE GROWTH RATE
2020 8.880 1.120%
2019 8.782 1.120%
2018 8.685 1.220%
2017 8.580 1.240%

See the graph and historical data at:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

The big spike in our death rate occurred in 2013-2014 when it jumped from 8.159 (0.090%) in 2013 to 2014 8.264 (1.290%) in 2014.

Daryl
Wuligal, br br If you look at the annual mortalit... (show quote)


Gee, you don't suppose that had anything to do with a bunch of old geezers of the Baby Boom and some older (like me) starting to die? And of course drug related things among old Hippies and young users of recreational pharmaceuticals. And of course the high casualty rate among traffickers of same.

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Jul 9, 2020 18:58:29   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
robertjerl wrote:
Gee, you don't suppose that had anything to do with a bunch of old geezers of the Baby Boom and some older (like me) starting to die? And of course drug related things among old Hippies and young users of recreational pharmaceuticals. And of course the high casualty rate among traffickers of same.


Robertjerl,

Yes, for sure. Us Babyboomers are dying off and the birth rate of Americans is going down, so the percentage of deaths to population goes up too. From the CDC database for 2017:

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/leading-causes-of-death.htm#publications

Daryl

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Jul 9, 2020 19:01:33   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
robertjerl wrote:
But so many people are totally freaked out they aren't really thinking and that was from the media/publicity/political campaign that bombarded them relentlessly in such an extreme over reaction/reporting.



Robertjerl,

I agree 100%. They are acting emotionally instead of logically. It fits in though with the majority of people. Over 80% are emotionally-driven, while less than 20% of the population is logically-driven. I am logically-driven and try to avoid most emotional encounters and have a difficult dealing with emotional people.

Daryl

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Jul 9, 2020 19:36:21   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
Daryls wrote:
Robertjerl,

I agree 100%. They are acting emotionally instead of logically. It fits in though with the majority of people. Over 80% are emotionally-driven, while less than 20% of the population is logically-driven. I am logically-driven and try to avoid most emotional encounters and have a difficult dealing with emotional people.

Daryl


It's great to have my sanity validated. Every time I hear a politician or reporter use the word "feel" I want to bop them over the head with a smart stick. Running a household or business or a country has nothing to do with "feelings". It must be based on common sense and good choices.

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Jul 9, 2020 21:47:44   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
Wuligal wrote:
It's great to have my sanity validated. Every time I hear a politician or reporter use the word "feel" I want to bop them over the head with a smart stick. Running a household or business or a country has nothing to do with "feelings". It must be based on common sense and good choices.


Amen to that

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Jul 9, 2020 22:57:49   #
usken65
 
Wuligal wrote:
It might appear that there are some counties that have NO recoveries but (by the CDC's own calculation) that's not true. There is a discrepancy of 50,361 "active cases" and that is in just one state alone.

Think of it this way - suppose you found a $50,361.00 mistake in your checking account. Would you change banks?


If you go to the company website you will find that the tests have an accuracy rate of 72%. The common cold tests positive as Covid.

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Jul 9, 2020 23:14:37   #
usken65
 
John_F wrote:
There is a new graphic, seen today 7/8, That lists worldwide. Three US states lead the entire world.


I’ll bet tx, az & ca. I’ll also bet nobody mentions it’s all border towns .

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Jul 9, 2020 23:34:28   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
usken65 wrote:
I’ll bet tx, az & ca. I’ll also bet nobody mentions it’s all border towns .
Like Dallas county, Texas, currently listed as having 29K cases and 426 deaths?

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