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Apr 6, 2020 16:32:33   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Not really that far fetched.I worked with a Native American a few years back who stated that if the earth wanted to tke back the planet, it would be able to do so easily. Look at how easily vegetation can, and does, take over paved areas, buildings, and can easily pull apart man made things. We are the intruders here.


And so far, we are not great tenants in my opinion. (And this is not “America hating”, it’s a comment on how we are taking care of our planet).

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Apr 6, 2020 16:37:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
And so far, we are not great tenants in my opinion. (And this is not “America hating”, it’s a comment on how we are taking care of our planet).


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Apr 6, 2020 17:29:35   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
kvanhook wrote:
When I read the words "China Virus" I don't think less of Chinese people. Like was said, it was a geographical starting point, not an attack on the people there. How about the "Hong Kong flu" of 1969? That was not a racist comment, it just meant a starting point of a disease. Does the "Tasmanian devil" reflect open our friends down there? Can I eat "Brazil nuts" without thinking about the people there? And we have the "Portuguese man of War in our local oceans, and the "Portuguese water dog" walking around in our parks. Does that make the Portuguese people somehow inferior? How about the "German measles"? Is that a direct attack on our German friends, many of whom are our ancestors. Please, get over this PC stuff. Calling something a name based on origin has nothing to do with racist thought. At lease not in this case.
When I read the words "China Virus" I do... (show quote)


While I fully understand how you feel and I appreciate that you don't feel racist or think less of the Chinese people when you refer to this virus as the " China virus " I still cringe when I hear or read of folks, especially our president, using that term. While many of us don't feel racist towards the Chinese because of the origin of the virus many, many folks here in the USA do. As witnessed by the fact that ever since the president and his administration started insisting on calling it the " Chinese Virus " instead of the coronavirus or Covid-19 there has been a large increase in the number of attacks, both verbal and physical, on Chinese here in America. So I cringe not because of " politically correct stuff" but because it obviously incites hatred towards Chinese, even Chinese Americans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans and anyone else that looks Asian.

And that.... is just wrong.

So I personally wish folks would stop referring to it at the " Chinese Virus " even though that's where it originated.

And if for one second you think I'm wrong about it enticing hatred toward Chinese just ask me for an example or two. I have a few that are real close to home.

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Apr 6, 2020 17:34:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
We can call it the 30°35′14″N 114°17′17″E Virus.

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Apr 6, 2020 17:49:21   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Lille wrote:
While I fully understand how you feel and I appreciate that you don't feel racist or think less of the Chinese people when you refer to this virus as the " China virus " I still cringe when I hear or read of folks, especially our president, using that term. While many of us don't feel racist towards the Chinese because of the origin of the virus many, many folks here in the USA do. As witnessed by the fact that ever since the president and his administration started insisting on calling it the " Chinese Virus " instead of the coronavirus or Covid-19 there has been a large increase in the number of attacks, both verbal and physical, on Chinese here in America. So I cringe not because of " politically correct stuff" but because it obviously incites hatred towards Chinese, even Chinese Americans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans and anyone else that looks Asian.

And that.... is just wrong.

So I personally wish folks would stop referring to it at the " Chinese Virus " even though that's where it originated.

And if for one second you think I'm wrong about it enticing hatred toward Chinese just ask me for an example or two. I have a few that are real close to home.
While I fully understand how you feel and I apprec... (show quote)



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Apr 6, 2020 17:54:14   #
Flying Three Loc: Berthoud, CO
 
Thank you rrkazman for a very well spoken response.

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Apr 6, 2020 18:07:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Don't say American Cheese either.
Someone from another part of the world may get offended.

Hmmmmm. What should we call Scotch Whiskey and Irish Mist?
Better rename those also.

What about NO to made in China?

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Apr 6, 2020 18:31:17   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Longshadow wrote:
Don't say American Cheese either.
Someone from another part of the world may get offended.

Hmmmmm. What should we call Scotch Whiskey and Irish Mist?
Better rename those also.



Mormon Cricket as well.

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Apr 6, 2020 18:45:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Architect1776 wrote:

Mormon Cricket as well.



SO much to change, so little
interest.

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Apr 6, 2020 19:46:18   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Lille wrote:
While I fully understand how you feel and I appreciate that you don't feel racist or think less of the Chinese people when you refer to this virus as the " China virus " I still cringe when I hear or read of folks, especially our president, using that term. While many of us don't feel racist towards the Chinese because of the origin of the virus many, many folks here in the USA do. As witnessed by the fact that ever since the president and his administration started insisting on calling it the " Chinese Virus " instead of the coronavirus or Covid-19 there has been a large increase in the number of attacks, both verbal and physical, on Chinese here in America. So I cringe not because of " politically correct stuff" but because it obviously incites hatred towards Chinese, even Chinese Americans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans and anyone else that looks Asian.

And that.... is just wrong.

So I personally wish folks would stop referring to it at the " Chinese Virus " even though that's where it originated.

And if for one second you think I'm wrong about it enticing hatred toward Chinese just ask me for an example or two. I have a few that are real close to home.
While I fully understand how you feel and I apprec... (show quote)


I hope you will add we residents of Michigan to those deserving empathetic treatment for the humiliation we’ve suffered from being called MichiGANDERS. This avian racism has got to stop. Being labeled a Nazi because we GOOSE step . . . .is just wrong. I still CRINGE every time I hear a horn HONK.

Come on folks, we’re all in this together so can’t we at least try to be more politically correct?

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Apr 6, 2020 19:48:25   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
raymondh wrote:
I hope you will add we residents of Michigan to those deserving empathetic treatment for the humiliation we’ve suffered from being called MichiGANDERS. This avian racism has got to stop. Being labeled a Nazi because we GOOSE step . . . .is just wrong. I still CRINGE every time I hear a horn HONK.

Come on folks, we’re all in this together so can’t we at least try to be more politically correct?



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Apr 6, 2020 20:27:42   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
Don't say American Cheese either.
Someone from another part of the world may get offended.

Hmmmmm. What should we call Scotch Whiskey and Irish Mist?
Better rename those also.

What about NO to made in China?



Of course you can call it what ever the hell you want to call it. I don't know anyone who's actually beaten up American Cheese, Brazil Nuts or Portuguese water dogs but I do know of a 17 year old girl in Ft. Lauderdale who was rather badly beaten and told to go back to China ONLY because she's Chinese.

The fact is that the number of verbal and physical attacks on Asian Americans around the nation has spiked. And calling the coronavirus the " Chinese Virus " has unquestionably been a contributing factor in that spike. But if you're not bothered by that then you continue to call it whatever you like and I'll stop crying the blues.

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Apr 6, 2020 20:36:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Lille wrote:
...
...but I do know of a 17 year old girl in Ft. Lauderdale who was rather badly beaten and told to go back to China ONLY because she's Chinese.

The fact is that the number of verbal and physical attacks on Asian Americans around the nation has spiked. And calling the coronavirus the " Chinese Virus " has unquestionably been a contributing factor in that spike. But if you're not bothered by that then you continue to call it whatever you like and I'll stop crying the blues.
... br ...but I do know of a 17 year old girl in F... (show quote)


Now THAT is reprehensible. However it's the individual's unbridled inability to contain himself and his attitude towards others, not the reference to Chinese virus. The fault is not on the name/phrase used, but the person reacting to the phrase.

So the solution is to eliminate the phrase instead of people learning to contain their emotions and how to behave? In that case I can think of THOUSANDS of words that should be eliminated from the English language just so people don't get upset or hurt feelings.
Wouldn't it be simpler for people to be fetched up proper and be responsible for their own actions? Not others responsible for not getting them upset? Learn that things happen and how to deal with it, and not everyone gets a participation trophy so no one gets their feelings hurt?

OIE.
Wait, I probably can't use that word either.........

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Apr 6, 2020 21:09:39   #
Lille Loc: Upstate, NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
Now THAT is reprehensible. However it's the individual's unbridled inability to contain himself and his attitude towards others, not the reference to Chinese virus. The fault is not on the name/phrase used, but the person reacting to the phrase.

So the solution is to eliminate the phrase instead of people learning to contain their emotions and how to behave? In that case I can think of THOUSANDS of words that should be eliminated from the English language just so people don't get upset or hurt feelings.
Wouldn't it be simpler for people to be fetched up proper and be responsible for their own actions? Not others responsible for not getting them upset? Learn that things happen and how to deal with it, and not everyone gets a participation trophy so no one gets their feelings hurt?

OIE.
Wait, I probably can't use that word either.........
Now THAT is reprehensible. However it's the indivi... (show quote)

Longshadow,

I totally agree with everything you've just said !

It is reprehensible. And the fault is not on the name/phrase used, but the person reacting to the phrase. And the best solution is " for people to be fetched up proper "

I just also believe that not everyone is fetched that way. And that there are some pretty low folks who sometimes do act in pretty reprehensible ways. And that is how some folks ARE reacting to that phrase.

So while I agree that the virus did start in China and there is actually nothing really wrong with calling it the China Virus or even the Wuhan Virus other than the fact that some folks ARE reacting that way. And so it would be so simple to simply call it the coronavirus and and try not to get those jerks all riled up even more than they are.

OK I'll get off my high horse now and leave it be. I would only ask (!) that you consider calling it something other than the Chinese virus.

Have a nice evening Longshadow.

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Apr 6, 2020 21:23:59   #
Old Coot
 
Can't even call it Corona Virus. Offends my favorite beer

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