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Mar 16, 2020 09:30:38   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
thom w wrote:
Write that down, and read it to yourself every time you believe that you, and only you, really know what's going on.



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Mar 16, 2020 09:31:41   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
We have the choice whether or not we want care on an individual level.
We can't and we should not rely on our government and corporations to have compassion.
It's up to us

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Mar 16, 2020 09:32:23   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
thom w wrote:
He quoted his wife as saying there is no shortage of tests, that anyone who wants tested can be. Please try to keep up.



"Did you forget that the Democrats were doing absolutely nothing but trying to impeach Trump at the time? Their actions were outright designed to distract and destroy him. Fortunately for the country Trump was able to shrug them off again and again and still dramatically make the right moves and decisions for the country."

Huh, guess I missed that

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Mar 16, 2020 09:34:04   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
soba1 wrote:
Maybe it's because you want to hold on to the belief that the government cares, that policy makers and
people in power really care about humanity. When in fact they really don't.


Way too much of a generalization. While I don't want to pretend I know what your experiences are, I have to believe you are personally aware of just how dangerous generalizations can be.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:34:12   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
soba1 wrote:
We have the choice whether or not we want care on an individual level.
We can't and we should not rely on our government and corporations to have compassion.
It's up to us


Amen di-na-da-nv-tli.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:34:43   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
thom w wrote:
Write that down, and read it to yourself every time you believe that you, and only you, really know what's going on.


Like you know what's going on!

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Mar 16, 2020 09:35:43   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
DaveO wrote:


One thumb for each of you, how cute!

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Mar 16, 2020 09:35:52   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Kraken wrote:
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now faces a crisis that disproves everything the country believes about itself.

On July 8, 1853, Commodore Matthew Perry of the U.S. Navy sailed into Tokyo Bay with two steamships and two sailing vessels under his command. He landed a squadron of heavily armed sailors and marines; he moved one of the ships ostentatiously up the harbor, so that more people could see it. He delivered a letter from President Millard Fillmore demanding that the Japanese open up their ports to American trade. As they left, Perry’s fleets fired their guns into the ether. In the port, people were terrified: “It sounded like distant thunder,” a contemporary diarist wrote at the time, “and the mountains echoed back the noise of the shots. This was so formidable that the people in Edo [modern Tokyo] were fearful.”

But the noise was not the only thing that frightened the Japanese. The Perry expedition famously convinced them that their political system was incapable of coping with new kinds of threats. Secure in their island homeland, the rulers of Japan had been convinced for decades of their cultural superiority. Japan was unique, special, the homeland of the gods. “Japan’s position, at the vertex of the earth, makes it the standard for the nations of the world,” the nationalist thinker Aizawa Seishisai wrote nearly three decades before Perry’s arrival. But the steamships and the guns changed all that. Suddenly, the Japanese realized that their culture, their political system, and their technology were out of date. Their samurai-warrior leaders and honor culture were not able to compete in a world dominated by science.

The coronavirus pandemic is in its early days. But the scale and force of the economic and medical crisis that is about to hit the United States may turn out to be as formidable as Perry’s famous voyage was. Two weeks ago—it already seems like an infinity—I was in Italy, writing about the first signs of the virus. Epidemics, I wrote, “have a way of revealing underlying truths about the societies they impact.” This one has already done so, and with terrifying speed. What it reveals about the United States—not just this administration, but also our health-care system, our bureaucracy, our political system itself—should make Americans as fearful as the Japanese who heard the “distant thunder” of Perry’s guns.

Not everybody has yet realized this, and indeed, it will take some time, just as it has taken time for the nature of the virus to sink in. At the moment, many Americans are still convinced that, even in this crisis, our society is more capable than others. Quite a lot was written about the terrifying and reckless behavior of the authorities in Wuhan, China, who initially threatened doctors who began posting information about the new virus, forcing them into silence.

On the very day that one of those doctors, Li Wenliang, contracted the virus, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission issued a statement declaring,“So far no infection [has been] found among medical staff, no proof of human-to-human transmission.” Only three weeks after the initial reports were posted did authorities begin to take the spread of the disease seriously, confirming that human-to-human transmission had in fact occurred. And only three days later did the lockdown of the city, and eventually the entire province, actually begin.

This story has been told repeatedly—and correctly—as an illustration of what’s wrong with the Chinese system: The secrecy and mania for control inside the Communist Party lost the government many days during which it could have put a better plan into place. But many of those recounting China’s missteps have become just a little bit too smug.

The United States also had an early warning of the new virus—but it, too, suppressed that information. In late January, just as instances of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, began to appear in the United States, an infectious-disease specialist in Seattle, Helen Y. Chu, realized that she had a way to monitor its presence. She had been collecting nasal swabs from people in and around Seattle as part of a flu study, and proposed checking them for the new virus. State and federal officials rejected that idea, citing privacy concerns and throwing up bureaucratic obstacles related to lab licenses.

Finally, at the end of February, Chu could stand the intransigence no longer. Her lab performed some tests and found the coronavirus in a local teenager who had not traveled overseas. That meant the disease was already spreading in the Seattle region among people who had never been abroad. If Chu had found this information a month earlier, lives might have been saved and the spread of the disease might have slowed—but even after the urgency of her work became evident, her lab was told to stop testing.

Chu was not threatened by the government, like Li had been in Wuhan. But she was just as effectively silenced by a rule-bound bureaucracy that was insufficiently worried about the pandemic—and by officials at the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who may even have felt political pressure not to take this disease as seriously as they should.

For Chu was not alone. We all now know that COVID-19 diagnostic tests are in scarce supply. South Korea, which has had exactly the same amount of time as the U.S. to prepare, is capable of administering 10,000 tests every day. The United States, with a population more than six times larger, had only tested about 10,000 people in total as of Friday. Vietnam, a poor country, has tested more people than the United States. During congressional testimony on Thursday, Anthony Fauci, the most distinguished infectious-disease doctor in the nation, described the American testing system as “failing.” “The idea of anybody getting [tested] easily the way people in other countries are doing it? We’re not set up for that,” he said. “Do I think we should be? Yes, but we’re not.”

And why not? Once again, no officials from the Chinese Communist Party instructed anyone in the United States not to carry out testing. Nobody prevented American public officials from ordering the immediate production of a massive number of tests. Nevertheless, they did not. We don’t know all the details yet, but one element of the situation cannot be denied: The president himself did not want the disease talked of too widely, did not want knowledge of it to spread, and, above all, did not want the numbers of those infected to appear too high. He said so himself, while explaining why he didn’t want a cruise ship full of infected Americans to dock in California. “I like the numbers being where they are,” he said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

Donald Trump, just like the officials in Wuhan, was concerned about the numbers—the optics of how a pandemic looks. And everybody around him knew it. There are some indications that Alex Azar, the former pharmaceutical-industry executive and lobbyist who heads the Department of Health and Human Services, was not keen on telling the president things he did not want to hear. Here is how Dan Diamond, a Politico reporter who writes about health policy, delicately described the problem in a radio interview: “My understanding is [that Azar] did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that’s partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak, and the president had made clear—the lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall.”

For more go to................................

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-showed-america-wasnt-task/608023/
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now... (show quote)


Krackhead, go have another drink. You post rubbish.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:37:10   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
thom w wrote:
Way too much of a generalization. While I don't want to pretend I know what your experiences are, I have to believe you are personally aware of just how dangerous generalizations can be.


Think; can one person start mass hysteria on such a large scale?
Don't answer that right away.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:38:58   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
thom w wrote:
I'd ask what is wrong with you, but this forum has a limit on characters in a post, so it wouldn't really be fair.


Stop jabbering like a buffoon. Everyone of your posts sounds like a 7 year old wrote it. Is that a lame attempt at being clever or cute? It is an epic fail.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:39:55   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Rose42 wrote:
Empty shelves in stores, people scared to go anywhere, sports seasons suspended, restaurants and places of business shutting down, shortage of toilet paper, bottled water... the list is very long. People didn't do that 10 years ago. Why now?

There have never been enough hospital beds to handle a widespread outbreak of anything. Its like people aren't thinking anymore and just waiting to be directed.


ummm.......because this is much more deadly to older people than other flu's.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:40:12   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
thom w wrote:
I'm not sure what your post means, but you have no idea how much I hope Rose is right. Unfortunately, I don't see any evidence that she is. She could be, and I'm still hoping.


I'm sure your not sure about a lot of things

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Mar 16, 2020 09:41:43   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
soba1 wrote:
We have the choice whether or not we want care on an individual level.
We can't and we should not rely on our government and corporations to have compassion.
It's up to us


There ya go....acting like a damn Christian again.

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Mar 16, 2020 09:43:00   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
soba1 wrote:
Think; can one person start mass hysteria on such a large scale?
Don't answer that right away.



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Mar 16, 2020 09:43:22   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
idaholover wrote:
One thumb for each of you, how cute!


The one for you is not a thumb, but you're only two fingers away.

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