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Mar 15, 2020 12:37:54   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now faces a crisis that disproves everything the country believes about itself.

On July 8, 1853, Commodore Matthew Perry of the U.S. Navy sailed into Tokyo Bay with two steamships and two sailing vessels under his command. He landed a squadron of heavily armed sailors and marines; he moved one of the ships ostentatiously up the harbor, so that more people could see it. He delivered a letter from President Millard Fillmore demanding that the Japanese open up their ports to American trade. As they left, Perry’s fleets fired their guns into the ether. In the port, people were terrified: “It sounded like distant thunder,” a contemporary diarist wrote at the time, “and the mountains echoed back the noise of the shots. This was so formidable that the people in Edo [modern Tokyo] were fearful.”

But the noise was not the only thing that frightened the Japanese. The Perry expedition famously convinced them that their political system was incapable of coping with new kinds of threats. Secure in their island homeland, the rulers of Japan had been convinced for decades of their cultural superiority. Japan was unique, special, the homeland of the gods. “Japan’s position, at the vertex of the earth, makes it the standard for the nations of the world,” the nationalist thinker Aizawa Seishisai wrote nearly three decades before Perry’s arrival. But the steamships and the guns changed all that. Suddenly, the Japanese realized that their culture, their political system, and their technology were out of date. Their samurai-warrior leaders and honor culture were not able to compete in a world dominated by science.

The c****av***s p******c is in its early days. But the scale and force of the economic and medical crisis that is about to hit the United States may turn out to be as formidable as Perry’s famous voyage was. Two weeks ago—it already seems like an infinity—I was in Italy, writing about the first signs of the v***s. Epidemics, I wrote, “have a way of revealing underlying t***hs about the societies they impact.” This one has already done so, and with terrifying speed. What it reveals about the United States—not just this administration, but also our health-care system, our bureaucracy, our political system itself—should make Americans as fearful as the Japanese who heard the “distant thunder” of Perry’s guns.

Not everybody has yet realized this, and indeed, it will take some time, just as it has taken time for the nature of the v***s to sink in. At the moment, many Americans are still convinced that, even in this crisis, our society is more capable than others. Quite a lot was written about the terrifying and reckless behavior of the authorities in W***n, China, who initially threatened doctors who began posting information about the new v***s, forcing them into silence.

On the very day that one of those doctors, Li Wenliang, contracted the v***s, the W***n Municipal Health Commission issued a statement declaring,“So far no infection [has been] found among medical staff, no proof of human-to-human t***smission.” Only three weeks after the initial reports were posted did authorities begin to take the spread of the disease seriously, confirming that human-to-human t***smission had in fact occurred. And only three days later did the lockdown of the city, and eventually the entire province, actually begin.

This story has been told repeatedly—and correctly—as an illustration of what’s wrong with the Chinese system: The secrecy and mania for control inside the C*******t Party lost the government many days during which it could have put a better plan into place. But many of those recounting China’s missteps have become just a little bit too smug.

The United States also had an early warning of the new v***s—but it, too, suppressed that information. In late January, just as instances of C****-**, the disease caused by the c****av***s, began to appear in the United States, an infectious-disease specialist in Seattle, Helen Y. Chu, realized that she had a way to monitor its presence. She had been collecting nasal swabs from people in and around Seattle as part of a flu study, and proposed checking them for the new v***s. State and federal officials rejected that idea, citing privacy concerns and throwing up bureaucratic obstacles related to lab licenses.

Finally, at the end of February, Chu could stand the int***sigence no longer. Her lab performed some tests and found the c****av***s in a local teenager who had not traveled overseas. That meant the disease was already spreading in the Seattle region among people who had never been abroad. If Chu had found this information a month earlier, lives might have been saved and the spread of the disease might have slowed—but even after the urgency of her work became evident, her lab was told to stop testing.

Chu was not threatened by the government, like Li had been in W***n. But she was just as effectively silenced by a rule-bound bureaucracy that was insufficiently worried about the p******c—and by officials at the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who may even have felt political pressure not to take this disease as seriously as they should.

For Chu was not alone. We all now know that C****-** diagnostic tests are in scarce supply. South Korea, which has had exactly the same amount of time as the U.S. to prepare, is capable of administering 10,000 tests every day. The United States, with a population more than six times larger, had only tested about 10,000 people in total as of Friday. Vietnam, a poor country, has tested more people than the United States. During congressional testimony on Thursday, Anthony F***i, the most distinguished infectious-disease doctor in the nation, described the American testing system as “failing.” “The idea of anybody getting [tested] easily the way people in other countries are doing it? We’re not set up for that,” he said. “Do I think we should be? Yes, but we’re not.”

And why not? Once again, no officials from the Chinese C*******t Party instructed anyone in the United States not to carry out testing. Nobody prevented American public officials from ordering the immediate production of a massive number of tests. Nevertheless, they did not. We don’t know all the details yet, but one element of the situation cannot be denied: The president himself did not want the disease talked of too widely, did not want knowledge of it to spread, and, above all, did not want the numbers of those infected to appear too high. He said so himself, while explaining why he didn’t want a cruise ship full of infected Americans to dock in California. “I like the numbers being where they are,” he said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

Donald Trump, just like the officials in W***n, was concerned about the numbers—the optics of how a p******c looks. And everybody around him knew it. There are some indications that Alex Azar, the former pharmaceutical-industry executive and lobbyist who heads the Department of Health and Human Services, was not keen on telling the president things he did not want to hear. Here is how Dan Diamond, a Politico reporter who writes about health policy, delicately described the problem in a radio interview: “My understanding is [that Azar] did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that’s partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of c****av***s outbreak, and the president had made clear—the lower the numbers on c****av***s, the better for the president, the better for his potential ree******n this fall.”

For more go to................................

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/c****av***s-showed-america-wasnt-task/608023/

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Mar 15, 2020 12:53:17   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
It's your lefty media that is crippling our economy. Not POTUS, not China, not Russia, not anything but the media.

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Mar 15, 2020 12:57:47   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kraken wrote:
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now faces a crisis that disproves everything the country believes about itself.

On July 8, 1853, Commodore Matthew Perry of the U.S. Navy sailed into Tokyo Bay with two steamships and two sailing vessels under his command. He landed a squadron of heavily armed sailors and marines; he moved one of the ships ostentatiously up the harbor, so that more people could see it. He delivered a letter from President Millard Fillmore demanding that the Japanese open up their ports to American trade. As they left, Perry’s fleets fired their guns into the ether. In the port, people were terrified: “It sounded like distant thunder,” a contemporary diarist wrote at the time, “and the mountains echoed back the noise of the shots. This was so formidable that the people in Edo [modern Tokyo] were fearful.”

But the noise was not the only thing that frightened the Japanese. The Perry expedition famously convinced them that their political system was incapable of coping with new kinds of threats. Secure in their island homeland, the rulers of Japan had been convinced for decades of their cultural superiority. Japan was unique, special, the homeland of the gods. “Japan’s position, at the vertex of the earth, makes it the standard for the nations of the world,” the nationalist thinker Aizawa Seishisai wrote nearly three decades before Perry’s arrival. But the steamships and the guns changed all that. Suddenly, the Japanese realized that their culture, their political system, and their technology were out of date. Their samurai-warrior leaders and honor culture were not able to compete in a world dominated by science.

The c****av***s p******c is in its early days. But the scale and force of the economic and medical crisis that is about to hit the United States may turn out to be as formidable as Perry’s famous voyage was. Two weeks ago—it already seems like an infinity—I was in Italy, writing about the first signs of the v***s. Epidemics, I wrote, “have a way of revealing underlying t***hs about the societies they impact.” This one has already done so, and with terrifying speed. What it reveals about the United States—not just this administration, but also our health-care system, our bureaucracy, our political system itself—should make Americans as fearful as the Japanese who heard the “distant thunder” of Perry’s guns.

Not everybody has yet realized this, and indeed, it will take some time, just as it has taken time for the nature of the v***s to sink in. At the moment, many Americans are still convinced that, even in this crisis, our society is more capable than others. Quite a lot was written about the terrifying and reckless behavior of the authorities in W***n, China, who initially threatened doctors who began posting information about the new v***s, forcing them into silence.

On the very day that one of those doctors, Li Wenliang, contracted the v***s, the W***n Municipal Health Commission issued a statement declaring,“So far no infection [has been] found among medical staff, no proof of human-to-human t***smission.” Only three weeks after the initial reports were posted did authorities begin to take the spread of the disease seriously, confirming that human-to-human t***smission had in fact occurred. And only three days later did the lockdown of the city, and eventually the entire province, actually begin.

This story has been told repeatedly—and correctly—as an illustration of what’s wrong with the Chinese system: The secrecy and mania for control inside the C*******t Party lost the government many days during which it could have put a better plan into place. But many of those recounting China’s missteps have become just a little bit too smug.

The United States also had an early warning of the new v***s—but it, too, suppressed that information. In late January, just as instances of C****-**, the disease caused by the c****av***s, began to appear in the United States, an infectious-disease specialist in Seattle, Helen Y. Chu, realized that she had a way to monitor its presence. She had been collecting nasal swabs from people in and around Seattle as part of a flu study, and proposed checking them for the new v***s. State and federal officials rejected that idea, citing privacy concerns and throwing up bureaucratic obstacles related to lab licenses.

Finally, at the end of February, Chu could stand the int***sigence no longer. Her lab performed some tests and found the c****av***s in a local teenager who had not traveled overseas. That meant the disease was already spreading in the Seattle region among people who had never been abroad. If Chu had found this information a month earlier, lives might have been saved and the spread of the disease might have slowed—but even after the urgency of her work became evident, her lab was told to stop testing.

Chu was not threatened by the government, like Li had been in W***n. But she was just as effectively silenced by a rule-bound bureaucracy that was insufficiently worried about the p******c—and by officials at the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who may even have felt political pressure not to take this disease as seriously as they should.

For Chu was not alone. We all now know that C****-** diagnostic tests are in scarce supply. South Korea, which has had exactly the same amount of time as the U.S. to prepare, is capable of administering 10,000 tests every day. The United States, with a population more than six times larger, had only tested about 10,000 people in total as of Friday. Vietnam, a poor country, has tested more people than the United States. During congressional testimony on Thursday, Anthony F***i, the most distinguished infectious-disease doctor in the nation, described the American testing system as “failing.” “The idea of anybody getting [tested] easily the way people in other countries are doing it? We’re not set up for that,” he said. “Do I think we should be? Yes, but we’re not.”

And why not? Once again, no officials from the Chinese C*******t Party instructed anyone in the United States not to carry out testing. Nobody prevented American public officials from ordering the immediate production of a massive number of tests. Nevertheless, they did not. We don’t know all the details yet, but one element of the situation cannot be denied: The president himself did not want the disease talked of too widely, did not want knowledge of it to spread, and, above all, did not want the numbers of those infected to appear too high. He said so himself, while explaining why he didn’t want a cruise ship full of infected Americans to dock in California. “I like the numbers being where they are,” he said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

Donald Trump, just like the officials in W***n, was concerned about the numbers—the optics of how a p******c looks. And everybody around him knew it. There are some indications that Alex Azar, the former pharmaceutical-industry executive and lobbyist who heads the Department of Health and Human Services, was not keen on telling the president things he did not want to hear. Here is how Dan Diamond, a Politico reporter who writes about health policy, delicately described the problem in a radio interview: “My understanding is [that Azar] did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that’s partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of c****av***s outbreak, and the president had made clear—the lower the numbers on c****av***s, the better for the president, the better for his potential ree******n this fall.”

For more go to................................

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/c****av***s-showed-america-wasnt-task/608023/
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now... (show quote)


Did you forget that the Democrats were doing absolutely nothing but trying to impeach Trump at the time? Their actions were outright designed to distract and destroy him. Fortunately for the country Trump was able to shrug them off again and again and still dramatically make the right moves and decisions for the country.

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Mar 15, 2020 13:30:49   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Did you forget that the Democrats were doing absolutely nothing but trying to impeach Trump at the time? Their actions were outright designed to distract and destroy him. Fortunately for the country Trump was able to shrug them off again and again and still dramatically make the right moves and decisions for the country.


Some appear to have forgotten the Pubs destructive efforts thrust upon the Bama administration. But that's different. Boohoohoo...

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Mar 15, 2020 16:48:52   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Did you forget that the Democrats were doing absolutely nothing but trying to impeach Trump at the time? Their actions were outright designed to distract and destroy him. Fortunately for the country Trump was able to shrug them off again and again and still dramatically make the right moves and decisions for the country.



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Mar 15, 2020 17:23:13   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Steven Seward wrote:


Yet another who is disillusioned.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:29:50   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Maybe Time magazine can have the v***s on its cover as man of the year. That would give you a stiffy.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:31:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
It's your lefty media that is crippling our economy. Not POTUS, not China, not Russia, not anything but the media.


The Atlantic is a highly respected magazine, and has been for a very long time.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:32:26   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
DaveO wrote:
Some appear to have forgotten the Pubs destructive efforts thrust upon the Bama administration. But that's different. Boohoohoo...


That was the Pubs effort to thwart Obama's efforts to further destroy the country. So ya, it IS different. Tell me, what did Obama want to do that you were in total support of.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:36:38   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Steven Seward wrote:


Have you been keeping up? It seems your wife needs to call Dr. F***i, and others, and tell them they are lying about the availability of the C***d ** test. No where, with the exception of your posts, have I seen that there are plenty of tests.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:37:11   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Move to so Korea then.

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/c****av***s-outbreak/how-did-c****av***s-spread-so-quickly-south-korea

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Mar 16, 2020 08:37:49   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DaveO wrote:
Yet another who is disillusioned.


Perhaps you meant delusional. Guess he could be both.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:43:44   #
Rose42
 
Kraken wrote:
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now faces a crisis that disproves everything the country believes about itself.

On July 8, 1853, Commodore Matthew Perry of the U.S. Navy sailed into Tokyo Bay with two steamships and two sailing vessels under his command. He landed a squadron of heavily armed sailors and marines; he moved one of the ships ostentatiously up the harbor, so that more people could see it. He delivered a letter from President Millard Fillmore demanding that the Japanese open up their ports to American trade. As they left, Perry’s fleets fired their guns into the ether. In the port, people were terrified: “It sounded like distant thunder,” a contemporary diarist wrote at the time, “and the mountains echoed back the noise of the shots. This was so formidable that the people in Edo [modern Tokyo] were fearful.”

But the noise was not the only thing that frightened the Japanese. The Perry expedition famously convinced them that their political system was incapable of coping with new kinds of threats. Secure in their island homeland, the rulers of Japan had been convinced for decades of their cultural superiority. Japan was unique, special, the homeland of the gods. “Japan’s position, at the vertex of the earth, makes it the standard for the nations of the world,” the nationalist thinker Aizawa Seishisai wrote nearly three decades before Perry’s arrival. But the steamships and the guns changed all that. Suddenly, the Japanese realized that their culture, their political system, and their technology were out of date. Their samurai-warrior leaders and honor culture were not able to compete in a world dominated by science.

The c****av***s p******c is in its early days. But the scale and force of the economic and medical crisis that is about to hit the United States may turn out to be as formidable as Perry’s famous voyage was. Two weeks ago—it already seems like an infinity—I was in Italy, writing about the first signs of the v***s. Epidemics, I wrote, “have a way of revealing underlying t***hs about the societies they impact.” This one has already done so, and with terrifying speed. What it reveals about the United States—not just this administration, but also our health-care system, our bureaucracy, our political system itself—should make Americans as fearful as the Japanese who heard the “distant thunder” of Perry’s guns.

Not everybody has yet realized this, and indeed, it will take some time, just as it has taken time for the nature of the v***s to sink in. At the moment, many Americans are still convinced that, even in this crisis, our society is more capable than others. Quite a lot was written about the terrifying and reckless behavior of the authorities in W***n, China, who initially threatened doctors who began posting information about the new v***s, forcing them into silence.

On the very day that one of those doctors, Li Wenliang, contracted the v***s, the W***n Municipal Health Commission issued a statement declaring,“So far no infection [has been] found among medical staff, no proof of human-to-human t***smission.” Only three weeks after the initial reports were posted did authorities begin to take the spread of the disease seriously, confirming that human-to-human t***smission had in fact occurred. And only three days later did the lockdown of the city, and eventually the entire province, actually begin.

This story has been told repeatedly—and correctly—as an illustration of what’s wrong with the Chinese system: The secrecy and mania for control inside the C*******t Party lost the government many days during which it could have put a better plan into place. But many of those recounting China’s missteps have become just a little bit too smug.

The United States also had an early warning of the new v***s—but it, too, suppressed that information. In late January, just as instances of C****-**, the disease caused by the c****av***s, began to appear in the United States, an infectious-disease specialist in Seattle, Helen Y. Chu, realized that she had a way to monitor its presence. She had been collecting nasal swabs from people in and around Seattle as part of a flu study, and proposed checking them for the new v***s. State and federal officials rejected that idea, citing privacy concerns and throwing up bureaucratic obstacles related to lab licenses.

Finally, at the end of February, Chu could stand the int***sigence no longer. Her lab performed some tests and found the c****av***s in a local teenager who had not traveled overseas. That meant the disease was already spreading in the Seattle region among people who had never been abroad. If Chu had found this information a month earlier, lives might have been saved and the spread of the disease might have slowed—but even after the urgency of her work became evident, her lab was told to stop testing.

Chu was not threatened by the government, like Li had been in W***n. But she was just as effectively silenced by a rule-bound bureaucracy that was insufficiently worried about the p******c—and by officials at the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who may even have felt political pressure not to take this disease as seriously as they should.

For Chu was not alone. We all now know that C****-** diagnostic tests are in scarce supply. South Korea, which has had exactly the same amount of time as the U.S. to prepare, is capable of administering 10,000 tests every day. The United States, with a population more than six times larger, had only tested about 10,000 people in total as of Friday. Vietnam, a poor country, has tested more people than the United States. During congressional testimony on Thursday, Anthony F***i, the most distinguished infectious-disease doctor in the nation, described the American testing system as “failing.” “The idea of anybody getting [tested] easily the way people in other countries are doing it? We’re not set up for that,” he said. “Do I think we should be? Yes, but we’re not.”

And why not? Once again, no officials from the Chinese C*******t Party instructed anyone in the United States not to carry out testing. Nobody prevented American public officials from ordering the immediate production of a massive number of tests. Nevertheless, they did not. We don’t know all the details yet, but one element of the situation cannot be denied: The president himself did not want the disease talked of too widely, did not want knowledge of it to spread, and, above all, did not want the numbers of those infected to appear too high. He said so himself, while explaining why he didn’t want a cruise ship full of infected Americans to dock in California. “I like the numbers being where they are,” he said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”

Donald Trump, just like the officials in W***n, was concerned about the numbers—the optics of how a p******c looks. And everybody around him knew it. There are some indications that Alex Azar, the former pharmaceutical-industry executive and lobbyist who heads the Department of Health and Human Services, was not keen on telling the president things he did not want to hear. Here is how Dan Diamond, a Politico reporter who writes about health policy, delicately described the problem in a radio interview: “My understanding is [that Azar] did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that’s partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of c****av***s outbreak, and the president had made clear—the lower the numbers on c****av***s, the better for the president, the better for his potential ree******n this fall.”

For more go to................................

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/c****av***s-showed-america-wasnt-task/608023/
Like Japan in the mid-1800s, the United States now... (show quote)


This is what I'm talking about - media inciting more hysteria and panic. This is ridiculous.

10 years ago no one panicked. Look what wusses Americans have become. That's what the c****av***s is telling us.

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Mar 16, 2020 08:44:40   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
thom w wrote:
Perhaps you meant delusional. Guess he could be both.


You two should get a room. Maybe rent some Obama documentaries and reminisce about the old regime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fk2prKnYnI

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Mar 16, 2020 09:04:48   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
thom w wrote:
Have you been keeping up? It seems your wife needs to call Dr. F***i, and others, and tell them they are lying about the availability of the C***d ** test. No where, with the exception of your posts, have I seen that there are plenty of tests.


Whats his wife got to do with it anyway? BTW, have you stopped beating yours?

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