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Dec 16, 2019 14:46:39   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
edrobinsonjr wrote:
I "Googled" it and this is what I found:

An ellipsis (plural: ellipses)... See https://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/ellipses.asp

So, I think an ellipsis is a single 3 dot punctuation mark. There may be more than one used or not. If there are more than one then ellipses is the proper usage - isn't it?

Ed


Three dots means something is left out of the middle of a sentence. Four dots are used when something is left off the end of a sentence. The fourth dot is simply the period. To be correct, there should be spaces between the dots.

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Dec 16, 2019 14:59:51   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
nicksr1125 wrote:
Not only misspelling words. How about using the wrong word aka: their, they're, there; two, to, too; etc. It's like they're not teaching grammar in school anymore.
It's AS IF they're not teaching. . . .

dpullum wrote "If it was" is now correct vs "If it were"... subjective case?

"If" introduces a condition called "conditional subjunctive mood", and requires the plural form of the verb; a similar situation occurs when "wish" occurs--this is "volitive subjunctive". ("I wish it were. . . .")

My personal pet peeves are using "hung" instead of "hanged" when referring to death by noose, and using "less" when "fewer" is correct (referring to a smaller number of countable objects). At a meal, you can have less mashed potatoes, but fewer slices of bread.

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Dec 16, 2019 15:01:38   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
goofybruce wrote:
...my pet peeve with sports announcers is to talk about the team which is losing to say "The XXXs are within two runs of tying the game."
Now, does that mean they are a run behind? One is "within" two.
Of course not.
Unless it's an introvert, two can't be inside itself.
The announcer should be saying the XXXs are two runs behind, or two runs down, or even "need two runs to tie."


Another thing that bugs me with sportscasters is that everything is a situation. They say "the team's in a third down situation" when they could just say "it's third down".

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Dec 16, 2019 15:05:47   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
mas24 wrote:
I remember when I was in 6th grade, if you said the word ain't. The lady teacher would personally confront you, and tell you to never, ever, say that word again. When I hear kids today say ain't. I reminds me of that teacher.
"Ain't" is correct as the contraction of "I am not"--all other uses are incorrect. (So I have been told.)

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Dec 16, 2019 15:12:03   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
Situation is a big word. Three syllables, after all.

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Dec 16, 2019 15:19:11   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
Mi630 wrote:
Some things are so common they are considered acceptable. Doesn’t mean it isn’t grating to hear. My pet peeve is “preventative”. I am a retired dentist and heard that word all the time. It is “preventive”. No need to throw an extra “a” in there. You don’t say “selectative” or “electative“. No need to put an extra “a” in preventive. But look in the dictionary and it is considered acceptable either way. Go figure.
I consider "preventative" as a noun and "preventive" as an adjective.

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Dec 16, 2019 15:25:52   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
David in Dallas wrote:
I consider "preventative" as a noun and "preventive" as an adjective.


According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, “preventative” can be used as either a noun or an adjective, while “preventive” is an adjective only.

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Dec 16, 2019 15:29:52   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
David in Dallas wrote:
"Ain't" is correct as the contraction of "I am not"--all other uses are incorrect. (So I have been told.)


Are you suggesting that It Ain't Necessarily So Ain't Necessarily So? Just wondering.

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Dec 16, 2019 16:42:57   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
daldds wrote:
I've got to complain to someone, so Hogs, you're they.
I'm old, which means my education often involved more memory and repetition and less of the thinking and problem solving kids are exposed at present. So, when sports announcers especially, and talking heads generally, use poor grammar, it grates. (Did anyone notice that I used "they" in the opening sentence? The verb "to be" requires the nominative case.)
My stepdaugher would call my sniping at poor grammar a "1st world problem." Sometimes she applies the term to me.
Yesterday I heard "very unique" and "totally perfect" broadcast to millions.
Hogs, for those of you who are not aware, unique and perfect cannot be modified to be more than they are. They can be modified to be less, such as almost unique or nearly perfect.
A few more words that signify the ultimate range are: incomparable, matchless, peerless, singly, singular, solely and unequalled.
Wow, do I feel better. You guys are incomparable.
I've got to complain to someone, so Hogs, you're t... (show quote)


I think you meant You'se guys...

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Dec 16, 2019 17:02:51   #
aggiedad Loc: Corona, ca
 
If you critique the athletes poor word choices you will be branded a racist or worse.

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Dec 16, 2019 17:03:54   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
Probably true.

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Dec 16, 2019 17:22:46   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
aggiedad wrote:
If you critique the athletes poor word choices you will be branded a racist or worse.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. I don't care if they call me names. I'm not a public figure who needs to worry about that, and all my friends and acquaintances know better.

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Dec 16, 2019 17:29:59   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Mi630 wrote:
Some things are so common they are considered acceptable. Doesn’t mean it isn’t grating to hear. My pet peeve is “preventative”. I am a retired dentist and heard that word all the time. It is “preventive”. No need to throw an extra “a” in there. You don’t say “selectative” or “electative“. No need to put an extra “a” in preventive. But look in the dictionary and it is considered acceptable either way. Go figure.


According to Merriam https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/preventive-or-preventative they both mean the same thing:

"There is no difference between preventive and preventative. They are both adjectives that mean "used to stop something bad from happening." Both words are commonly used in contexts concerning health care, as in "preventive/preventative medicine." Preventive, however, is used much more frequently than preventative."

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Dec 16, 2019 17:37:27   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
DaveC wrote:
Not according to what I’ve found.

The ellipsis can consist of either three or four periods, or dots. A single dot is called an ellipsis point. An ellipsis that indicates the omission of one or more words within a sentence consists of three spaced dots.

plural noun: ellipses
a regular oval shape, traced by a point moving in a plane so that the sum of its distances from two other points (the foci) is constant, or resulting when a cone is cut by an oblique plane which does not intersect the base
Not according to what I’ve found. br br The elli... (show quote)


"Ellipses" is the plural of "ellipsis." These are used to refer to the three dot punctuation mark.

An "ellipse" is the oval with 2 focal points. So, I suppose that "ellipses" would refer to multiples of this shape.

Don't you just love our language?

Ed

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Dec 16, 2019 17:48:30   #
CSand Loc: Fayetteville, Georgia
 
I admire you. I did not apply myself in school and now regret that I never learned the basics. Cassandra is lazy and not applying herself notes were carried home often. How I graduated after 2 years in college I will never know. Words fascinate me now especially Greek words I come across in Bible study. How precise they are. The young folks today are missing so much. I shake my head when I see how they print rather than use cursive. I am so proud of my Grandfather who wrote such beautiful cursive that he made calling cards and special occasion invitations in his day. Some in my family are college grads but do not know how to correctly address things like wedding invitations and thank you notes. I think now of how interesting it would be to have a private tutor and study all of the basics. Would be fun to see corrections you would make to this message.

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