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Oct 4, 2019 18:32:54   #
ricardo00
 
RahulKhosla wrote:
Suggestions for a high quality macro lens to fit Nikon D850?


As others have said, a lot depends on what you want to photograph. The problem with the smaller macros is that: 1) anything that can move (ie. butterflies, lizards, etc) will often not let you get too close and 2) the closer you are the less DOF there is. So if you can carry the weight and afford it, the Sigma 150mm (used since it is no longer available) or Nikon 200mm might be best. An alternative is to use something like the 300mm f/4 which lets you get pretty close though it does not have the 1:1 of a macro. However the DOF will be bigger. For curiosity, I recently compared the 300mm f/4 with a Tamron 90mm macro on my D500 with a spider:





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Oct 4, 2019 18:34:30   #
jdedmonds
 
Gene51 wrote:
Actually, the reason you buy a macro lens is so that you have a magnification of at least 1:1 at the minimum focusing distance AND if you decide to use extension tubes, the lens is already optimized for best quality at the minimum focus distance and closer.

The working distance on my Tamron 180mm is 18.5" and the Sigma is 15" - at their MFDs, the image magnification is 1:1.

There is no school of thought that if you use a lens at it's minimum focus distance AND your subject is fairly large, like a Hibiscus flower, there will be some cropping unless you move back. That's not an opinion.

At 1:1, it doesn't matter if you are at 6" from the subject with a 60mm lens or 18.5" from the subject with a 200mm lens - the amount of crop will be exactly the same because the magnification and the field of view will be exactly the same. But at 6" with a shorter lens you will encounter some challenges for lighting and lens /camera/human shadow.

The primary (but not the only) reason to get a longer macro lens is to have that 18" or more working distance and still have 1:1 magnification.

This is not a school of thought, it comes from applied practice.
Actually, the reason you buy a macro lens is so th... (show quote)


I'm not clear about your post. I have never had a thought process in which I"... have a magnification of at least 1:1 at the minimum focusing distance AND . . . decide to use extension tubes, the lens is already optimized for best quality at the minimum focus distance and closer. " I'm not nearly so knowledgeable to think that way and in sixty plus years of photography I've never even thought about extension tubes. I think that the quoted material, rather than embodying a school of thought, merely describes what's happening. Maybe, instead of using "school of thought," I should have said that the problems I then described were things to consider when choosing and using a macro lens. Reading my original post once again I also note that I failed to say that the Sigma lens I bought is a macro.

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Oct 4, 2019 18:40:52   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
ricardo00 wrote:
the Sigma 150mm (used since it is no longer available)


There is a NEW version that has OS ......

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Oct 4, 2019 18:53:45   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
ricardo00 wrote:
... the closer you are the less DOF there is.

False.

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Oct 4, 2019 18:59:56   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Nikon 105mm F2.8 Excellent lens.

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Oct 4, 2019 19:06:49   #
ricardo00
 
RWR wrote:
False.


Are you saying that the DOF doesn't depend on the distance between the lens and subject? If so, you are wrong. From any source, "The depth of field can be calculated based on focal length, distance to subject, the acceptable circle of confusion size, and aperture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field

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Oct 4, 2019 19:19:02   #
ricardo00
 
imagemeister wrote:
There is a NEW version that has OS ......


Do you mean the 105mm lens? According to the Sigma website the 150mm was discontinued?

https://www.sigmaphoto.com/150mm-f2-8-ex-dg-os-hsm-apo-macro

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Oct 4, 2019 19:36:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Do you mean the 105mm lens? According to the Sigma website the 150mm was discontinued?

https://www.sigmaphoto.com/150mm-f2-8-ex-dg-os-hsm-apo-macro


Wow, that's news to me !

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Oct 4, 2019 19:40:43   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Are you saying that the DOF doesn't depend on the distance between the lens and subject? If so, you are wrong. From any source, "The depth of field can be calculated based on focal length, distance to subject, the acceptable circle of confusion size, and aperture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field

There are but two factors which determine depth of field - scale of reproduction, and aperture. Everything else is immaterial.

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Oct 4, 2019 19:42:44   #
ricardo00
 
imagemeister wrote:
Wow, that's news to me !


I forgot to mention the Tamron 180mm macro which a number of others mentioned, it is another long macro which is considerably cheaper than the Nikon 200mm macro lens.

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Oct 4, 2019 19:48:56   #
ricardo00
 
RWR wrote:
There are but two factors which determine depth of field - scale of reproduction, and aperture. Everything else is immaterial.


I am by no means an expert on this, but the formula for calculating DOF includes the distance to subject?

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Oct 4, 2019 19:55:40   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
ricardo00 wrote:
I am by no means an expert on this, but the formula for calculating DOF includes the distance to subject?


Scale of reproduction (AKA magnification) is the REAL factor (correct) ! - but most find it easier to understand and apply with focal length and distance to realize it in a formula format .....

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Oct 4, 2019 19:59:33   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
RWR wrote:
There are but two factors which determine depth of field - scale of reproduction, and aperture. Everything else is immaterial.


False.

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Oct 4, 2019 20:02:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RahulKhosla wrote:
Suggestions for a high quality macro lens to fit Nikon D850?


Depends on what you photograph.

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Oct 4, 2019 20:23:33   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
JD750 wrote:
False.


Thank you. I was about to amend my statement to include the circle of confusion used in the calculation. I didn’t mention it because 1/30mm is the general standard for most calculators (24x36mm format). So there are three factors.

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