Photographers of an Arrogant nature (Page 6): You make an interesting point here. I originally read this thread as an "I'm right, you're wrong" scenario. But in reality we should all...

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Collhar wrote:

"You MUST respect their beliefs!"
Perhaps you should direct that message to both Parties.

You make an interesting point here. I originally read this thread as an "I'm right, you're wrong" scenario. But in reality we should all respect each other. For the most part, that isn't the case. We all need to be civil to each other.

Thanks for correcting my skewed point of view!

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

Scruples wrote:

You make an interesting point here. I originally read this thread as an "I'm right, you're wrong" scenario. But in reality we should all respect each other. For the most part, that isn't the case. We all need to be civil to each other.

Thanks for correcting my skewed point of view!

Great words, we should all respect each other and each person's point of view!~!

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

woodweasel wrote:

Thats why i like non people captures

I get bored with 'just another flower picture', and most scenes/landscapes seem so sterile without people. I originally got into "street like" photos by taking railroad station scenes, and discovering it was so natural to not wait until all the people had left.

aellman Loc: Boston MA

jpmmc wrote:

Perhaps simply photographing the ‘arrogant photographer’ would have been the better story in the moment. As I see it, she was the audience, sometimes the greater images are reaction. Just a thought... Then go back to the subject you started with... it’s ALWAYS about the story.

By doing this he would be giving her attention, thereby legitimizing
her presence. I stand by my previous advice to completely ignore her.
Like she wasn't there.

aellman Loc: Boston MA

Canisdirus wrote:

My dad was at a huge mobster wedding in New York during the late 40's.
The FBI was there taking down plate numbers, and a mobsters son came over and threw my dad's camera to the ground. he flipped a few bills on the ground to cover the cost.
Guess he should have asked permission.

Just kidding....

It's a public event in a public place ... no permission is required.

You better be ready for a tsunami of disagreements.

fourguzzis

You did the right thing in asking-the other person did not do the wrong thing. You did not need to ask permission, I ask, if possible. A few times I have been politely told no, a few times I have been told no, in no uncertain terms. I would not have told the other person that you got permission for you and not her, I would have let the subject of your shoot tell the unauthorized person herself, if so inclined. Once at Pensacola Beach I was approached by to deputies and told there were some women who saw me taking photographs and they felt uncomfortable. I told the deputies that I had a right to take photographs on a public beach. They said if I made someone uncomfortable I could not take their photograph. How am I to know if some women 200 feet away from me felt uncomfortable. Maybe they should cover their bodies and then no on would take photographs of them, permission given or not. I felt dumbfounded.

MichaelEBM Loc: Los Angeles CA

Lukabulla wrote:

br . . . I always ask or at least point to my cam... (show quote)

I wonder if most of the respondents to this thread missed the underlying message presented by the OP. As stated in his post (which I selectively quoted above), he has repeatedly had interaction with this female phone-photographer, and her attitude has irritated him for, I have to assume, a long time. This incident at the festival seems more the case that she had finally gotten on his last nerve, and he just finally let her have it! Then she proved to be as arrogant as he had always thought!

fourguzzis

It is hard to include every detail in a post. By the wording I assumed the phone camera lady and the person who asked permission have had other encounters. I would have gotten annoyed with her actions also. But I probably would have let the model tell the phone camera off, if so inclined, and gone about my business since I do not like public encounters with arrogant people. The camera person was right in asking first. The phone camera person was not wrong taking photographs of the female subject in a public place, but wrong arrogant and rude to reply to the camera person in the way she did. Had I been the camera person I would have been upset by those arrogant remarks also. However, with freedom of speech being a right in this country both parties had the right to say what they did. I personally try to use diplomacy to avoid conflicts and the camera person had this forum to blow off steam, which is just fine with me to help another photographer, having been in somewhat similar position myself. I think I might get my biggest brightest flash ready and if the phone camera person happened by I would quickly get the flash in her face and say, I did not mean to flash your face I was using the flash to high light someone behind her and then offer to lead her to a bench until her vision came back. This is not very diplomatic but she might get the idea not to trouble me anymore.

Abo

MichaelH wrote:

How is calling someone else's belief "superstitious" respecting their belief. May I rephrase your belief: "You should respect their right to have a belief, no matter how superstitious or opposite your beliefs it is."

But you have no requirement to respect their belief itself. A case in point is someone may believe that the Earth is flat. I would not respect that belief! There are many common beliefs that are due no respect at all.

I'm all for Science and scientific principles, however I agree with you MichaelH.
I was instantly at odds with "Scruples" post.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Abo wrote:

I'm all for Science and scientific principles, however I agree with you MichaelH.
I was instantly at odds with "Scruples" post.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I certainly don't wish to cause any misunderstandings. Please enlighten me my fellow Hogger. You are welcome to call me on my phone or private message me.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

MichaelH wrote:

How is calling someone else's belief "superstitious" respecting their belief. May I rephrase your belief: "You should respect their right to have a belief, no matter how superstitious or opposite your beliefs it is."

But you have no requirement to respect their belief itself. A case in point is someone may believe that the Earth is flat. I would not respect that belief! There are many common beliefs that are due no respect at all.

Superstitious was a poor choiced word. I meant that a person's or culture's belief may very well be different than that of our own. We should respect that belief even if it is not similar to our own. I believe we should all be civil to another regardless.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

rehess wrote:

We are quickly walking into complicated territory.... (show quote)

I'm sorry that you were almost accosted by an establishment owner. In a similar situation, I too had my camera out on a table. A person came to me and demanded I not take pictures of him. I informed him I did not and showed him the last photos I had taken. I reminded him that if I were to take a photograph of anyone, I would ask first. We shook hands and parted ways. Since then I keep my camera in my bag for the most part. It is in the bag when I'm not using it, going to the bathroom, in an art gallery, near a pool or a park. By enforcing this personal policy I avoid a great many confrontations.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

berchman wrote:

The OP stated that she was an acquaintance.

I am aware that they are acquaintances. I was attempting to reinforce this. Please do not misinterpret what I wrote.

sbohne

spaceytracey wrote:

That must have been soooo satisfying.

I'm a little ashamed to admit that it was...

danbir1 Loc: North Potomac, MD

Use a telephoto lens, no permission and no B.S.