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Sep 21, 2019 13:54:53   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
The world's full of what the police call "Adam Henries" on their radios! In this case I guess we have an "Alice Henrietta'!

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Sep 21, 2019 13:59:41   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
cambriaman wrote:
The world's full of what the police call "Adam Henries" on their radios! In this case I guess we have an "Alice Henrietta'!


Speaking from years of experience an Adam Henry is still an Adam Henry no matter the sex of the person. Sort of like a rose is still a rose.

Dennis

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Sep 21, 2019 14:01:08   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
A10 wrote:
Seek solice in you having good manners. Treating people with respect has its own rewards.


Being kind may be difficult and unrewarding...be kind anyway.

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Sep 21, 2019 14:03:51   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
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All the answers here seem to be from the photographers point of view. How about the subject. If I’m at a public event and someone were to plant themselves four feet in front of me or my kids, and started taking our photos, I would be annoyed. I would tell them to get out of my face. I would be really annoyed if they were shooting my kids like this. They may have a ‘right’ but it is wrong. People who are rude, obnoxious and in your space give up some rights just by their behavior. Be nice. Ask, and don’t be a jerk.
...Cam

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Sep 21, 2019 14:03:58   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
Collhar wrote:
"You MUST respect their beliefs!"
Perhaps you should direct that message to both Parties.


"respecting" someone's beliefs does not require that you agree with them...

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Sep 21, 2019 14:11:16   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
MrBumps2U wrote:
Seems to me you are both right, assuming that you are not taking pictures for commercial purposes. You are using common decency, while she actually can take photos without permission in public places (but she will need to deal with the angry people).

As an amateur musician, having someone taking pictures always reminds me not to get lazy about my stage appearance, which is not a bad thing. As a photographer, I ry to ask permission.


Just pointing out that the person who had their picture taken was not a performer and were not asking for attention as a performer is. And while there is nothing illegal in taking the picture, there should be a measure of civility. Asking permission is for me, appropriate.

I prefer not to be photographed because I do not know what it will be used for. Will I be made fun of for my big nose or my appearance ? My solution to the rudeness observed would have been not very polite (ok, it would have been rude in return) and I would have kept taking pictures of the offending "photographer". I would bet that would not make them happy and could be used as a learning experience for the "I won't ask permission" person.

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Sep 21, 2019 15:08:52   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Are you recently arrived on Planet Earth? You should be thankful that she didn't shove you out of her way.


INDEED!! BTW, if photos of people are intended for sale, a model release would be required.

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Sep 21, 2019 15:16:47   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Asking permission can ruin the spontaneity of the photograph. However, shoving a camera in someone's face from two feet away can accomplish the same thing.
--Bob
PGHphoto wrote:
Just pointing out that the person who had their picture taken was not a performer and were not asking for attention as a performer is. And while there is nothing illegal in taking the picture, there should be a measure of civility. Asking permission is for me, appropriate.

I prefer not to be photographed because I do not know what it will be used for. Will I be made fun of for my big nose or my appearance ? My solution to the rudeness observed would have been not very polite (ok, it would have been rude in return) and I would have kept taking pictures of the offending "photographer". I would bet that would not make them happy and could be used as a learning experience for the "I won't ask permission" person.
Just pointing out that the person who had their pi... (show quote)

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Sep 21, 2019 15:49:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Asking permission can ruin the spontaneity of the photograph. However, shoving a camera in someone's face from two feet away can accomplish the same thing.
--Bob

I don't think the traditional street photographers got nearly that close.

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Sep 21, 2019 16:01:47   #
sbohne
 
rehess wrote:
Around ten years ago, our family rode the Saratoga & North Creek dinner train. We had a 'layover' in North Creek, so I decided to photograph their striking locomotive during switching operations. A guy with a NYC-style accent had the same idea, and as we waited for the locomotive to come to our area, he lectured me on proper "photo line" behavior {basically, staying out of each other's way common sense}. Then the locomotives came into our area, and just as I was ready to press the shutter button, he stepped right in front me to get his photo. I have experienced that sort of thing before, so I quickly side-stepped and got my photo {not quite the one I wanted, but it will do} anyway.

Yes, idiots are everywhere, and the loudest ones often are the worst.
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I cannot count how many times a guest at a wedding stepped in front of me during the processional, recessional, first dance, cake cutting, etc. Our contract stated that if we had to suffer others taking photographs while we were working, we gave NO GUARANTEE as to the quality of the end product. This was explained at the booking of the event. I didn't have to take "muscle." Normally, the bride and groom would admonish the offender.

But at one event, I said something, politely, to a guy who just thought it was funnier than hell to take a picture just before I took mine. He replied, "Fck you, I'll take whatever pictures I want, fatass." The father of the bride...not a small man...grabbed the man by the coat collar, dragged him down the aisle, and threw him out of the church door! He looked at the Priest and said, "Sorry Father."

The priest smiled a little smile and replied, "I'm pretty sure God will forgive you, Mr. Smith. Mr. Bohne, you can resume your work now." And that was that.

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Sep 21, 2019 16:04:33   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
sbohne wrote:
I cannot count how many times a guest at a wedding stepped in front of me during the processional, recessional, first dance, cake cutting, etc. Our contract stated that if we had to suffer others taking photographs while we were working, we gave NO GUARANTEE as to the quality of the end product. This was explained at the booking of the event. I didn't have to take "muscle." Normally, the bride and groom would admonish the offender.

But at one event, I said something, politely, to a guy who just thought it was funnier than hell to take a picture just before I took mine. He replied, "Fck you, I'll take whatever pictures I want, fatass." The father of the bride...not a small man...grabbed the man by the coat collar, dragged him down the aisle, and threw him out of the church door! He looked at the Priest and said, "Sorry Father."

The priest smiled a little smile and replied, "I'm pretty sure God will forgive you, Mr. Smith. Mr. Bohne, you can resume your work now." And that was that.
I cannot count how many times a guest at a wedding... (show quote)



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Sep 21, 2019 16:17:05   #
sbohne
 
skylinefirepest wrote:
"In the public domain" requires no permission even though it's polite to do so. For many years I have done photography for the NCSHP and several years ago there was a wreck on U.S. 1 right where some prisoners were picking up trash. While doing my wreck pictures a guard came up to me and said that I wasn't allowed to take photos of the prisoners since they had no option for being in my photos. I told him that he could take his argument up with the Highway Patrol and secondly that if the prisoners didn't want to be in the photos all they had to do was turn their backs to me. Funny...he didn't give me any more hassle after that.
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You have to be aware of State law. In Michigan, it is against the law to photograph ANY inmate at any correctional facility at any time without receiving the express permission of BOTH the state and the inmate. To be able to photograph in a State facility, you must have first received LEIN clearance. Since I had photographed at several facilities, I never had a problem. As you say, if they don't want to be photographed, they can turn their backs.

You run into the occasional person or group of persons who want to be mouthy and shout obscenities. Hey, they're bored. One of my images of a prison inmate appeared in the book, "A Day in the Life of Michigan," which celebrated the State Sesquicentennial. You have to be escorted inside the Prison, so my assistant--a very LARGE man--and I were escorted by the Assistant Warden. During the walk through the "yard" between cellblocks, a prisoner came up to me and said, "I'm gonna knock that camera (my Hasselblad) out of your hands and stomp on it!" My assistant calmly replied, "You can try...and I guarantee you that you'll be the sorriest MF in this wire if you try it."

The inmate took a step back and looked at the Warden. The Warden replied, "Don't look at me! These guys aren't State Employees, so they don't have to follow the same rules the officers do. I'll turn my back while he knocks you flat!"

And that was the end of that. The guy went back to his buddies sitting at a picnic table who were all laughing their asses off. Just another day at the office. We fared better than the outdoor painters, who had to wear raincoats to keep the prisoners from urinating on them from the cellblock above.

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Sep 21, 2019 21:20:30   #
woodweasel Loc: bellingham Wa
 
Thats why i like non people captures

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Sep 21, 2019 21:22:28   #
woodweasel Loc: bellingham Wa
 
Thats why i like non people captures

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Sep 21, 2019 21:33:18   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
sbohne wrote:
I cannot count how many times a guest at a wedding stepped in front of me during the processional, recessional, first dance, cake cutting, etc. Our contract stated that if we had to suffer others taking photographs while we were working, we gave NO GUARANTEE as to the quality of the end product. This was explained at the booking of the event. I didn't have to take "muscle." Normally, the bride and groom would admonish the offender.

But at one event, I said something, politely, to a guy who just thought it was funnier than hell to take a picture just before I took mine. He replied, "Fck you, I'll take whatever pictures I want, fatass." The father of the bride...not a small man...grabbed the man by the coat collar, dragged him down the aisle, and threw him out of the church door! He looked at the Priest and said, "Sorry Father."

The priest smiled a little smile and replied, "I'm pretty sure God will forgive you, Mr. Smith. Mr. Bohne, you can resume your work now." And that was that.
I cannot count how many times a guest at a wedding... (show quote)


That must have been soooo satisfying.

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