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Sep 9, 2019 13:41:04   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
I prefer the B&W version. I do not like the "halo effect" used.
I noticed it is becoming a trend here. Try plain, simple and
contrasty B&W, IMHO.

Edit: Some already mentioned the halo. I agree with them.

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Sep 9, 2019 14:29:32   #
katu41
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Being in the minority here, I prefer the processed color version. The B&W seems to have more contrast, but the colored one looks better overall. Zooming in, the color also looks better.


Did my wife contact you? You just summed up her view of the photos. Arguing with her does not turn out well so I will not try to contradict you. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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Sep 9, 2019 14:32:52   #
katu41
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
I prefer the B&W version. I do not like the "halo effect" used.
I noticed it is becoming a trend here. Try plain, simple and
contrasty B&W, IMHO.

Edit: Some already mentioned the halo. I agree with them.


I am going back to re-edit for the halo effect. I promise to do better in the future. If I had a photoshop teacher, I would fire them. However, as I am self taught, I will put the blame on myself.

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Sep 9, 2019 15:04:39   #
Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA
 
IMO, the brick building continues to distract in black and white.
I wonder what it would look like if you masked out the brick building and replaced with sky or something else.

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Sep 9, 2019 16:27:26   #
katu41
 
Hamltnblue wrote:
IMO, the brick building continues to distract in black and white.
I wonder what it would look like if you masked out the brick building and replaced with sky or something else.


The brick building is the St. Mark's Campanile which is one of the most famous buildings in all of Venice. This is the base of a 323 ft. tower. Masking it out of the photo would create a firestorm from folks who know this as the most important location in Venice.

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Sep 9, 2019 19:56:40   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
katu41 wrote:
I have been doing serious photography for only 15 years and just recently looked for opportunities in black and white. Here is a photo I ignored as a color photo because it just didn't seem to be interesting enough to spend the time to process. This is the building opposite the Doge's Palace in Venice. It was taken at sunrise which is why there are almost no people present. I used a Panasonic GX8 with a 12-60mm lens.

The original shot: I kind of liked this shot but wasn't willing to think about how it could be improved. The birds were a distraction and a couple of people also were annoying. The smooth piece of white stone on the ground was at an odd angle and was too bright. Also, the end of the building didn't seem to have an element that worked for the rule of thirds.

Why I don't like the color shot: The building in the foreground is magnificent in design and texture. However, the red/brown brick of the building behind it is, to me, a jarring contrast and becomes a distraction.

What I like about the Black and White: I think this building is abut 500 years old. There is not much color in the building so nothing is lost in the B&W conversion. This created a harmony between the main stone building and the brick structure behind it.

This is how I see the differences in this image. When I last posted this kind of question, there seemed to be considerably differing opinions that were more about personal taste rather than what is the best presentation of the image. My questions are: Is this an interesting shot, has it been improved by the processing and is the B&W an appropriate representation?

Thanks for taking the time to think about the photo and responding.
I have been doing serious photography for only 15 ... (show quote)



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Sep 10, 2019 07:51:52   #
jcave Loc: Cecilia, Kentucky
 
Personally, I have seldom found color to be a distraction unless it is unnatural to the subject. Lighting, focus and composition are the key ingredients. Subject matter, timing and uniqueness add interest. While there is beauty in black and white, I find it comparable to a pencil sketch vs an oil or watercolor.

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Sep 10, 2019 08:50:15   #
James Van Ells
 
Thanks for posting the 3 images. The B & W does show the most detail that is lacking in #1 and is seen in #2. The B & W gives the details without distracting with the color.

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Sep 10, 2019 10:44:38   #
gtilford Loc: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 
I prefer the black and white version of the photo as well as more detail is seen in the building but again I agree and do not like the halo effect that is seen. Did you convert the original to black and white then edit the birds out etc or did you convert to black and white after you had edited the photo. I only asked because I downloaded the original and just quickly converted to black and white and there was no halo present then I could have done the other edits?

Great shot

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Sep 10, 2019 11:36:41   #
katu41
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
It does make for a very nice B&W photo. But, I do think that you've overdone the processing as evidence of banding in the sky and halo around the building. This is just because of the way you've processed it and can be easily changed if you start over with the original and convert it to B&W first. It appears that you've used the second (processed) image and simply changed it to B&W. The second image has the same problem with banding (subtle) and halo around the building.


Ok, I went back and reprocessed both images separately from the original file. I was successful in removing the halo in both but was unable to remove the banding in the B&W. Any suggestions on how to do that would be greatly appreciated.

Venice Color Revised
Venice Color Revised...
(Download)

Venice B&W Revised
Venice B&W Revised...
(Download)

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Sep 10, 2019 11:53:39   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
Both are greatly improved with the additional processing and removal of the halo - but I still like the color version for its perceived contrast between "old and new." As far as the banding is concerned, I'd like to know how to get rid of that as well!

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Sep 10, 2019 11:59:17   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
I like the monochrome just the way it is--it looks squared correctly to me.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:03:05   #
katu41
 
jaymatt wrote:
I like the monochrome just the way it is--it looks squared correctly to me.


Thanks for viewing.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:04:37   #
katu41
 
tommystrat wrote:
Both are greatly improved with the additional processing and removal of the halo - but I still like the color version for its perceived contrast between "old and new." As far as the banding is concerned, I'd like to know how to get rid of that as well!


Thanks for taking the time to compare. Sometimes I get lazy and don't do my best. I had lots of encouragement to step up my game.

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Sep 10, 2019 12:06:58   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
I like you B & W conversion. When subjects or compositions have the right contrast, B & W really works.

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