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Aug 15, 2019 13:31:08   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
In the opening post of this thread the OP warns of troll activity, and further makes a request for decency in responses.
Let’s all wake up and acknowledge why.
4 pages—he is doing pretty well.


When somebody's open remarks include, "And I’m sure I could find the answer on here with minimal searching but I’m asking again anyway." He's saying 'I'm too lazy, I expect the Hogs to spoon feed me.'


Seems to me he knew he was setting up the thread for trolling, otherwise he never would have mentioned trolls.


IMHO

Had he simply said, {I asked this before but would appreciate additional input} this would have been an entirely different thread.

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Aug 15, 2019 13:35:34   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Bill_de wrote:
When somebody's open remarks include, "And I’m sure I could find the answer on here with minimal searching but I’m asking again anyway." He's saying 'I'm too lazy, I expect the Hogs to spoon feed me.'


Seems to me he knew he was setting up the thread for trolling, otherwise he never would have mentioned trolls.


IMHO

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Exactly.
He got what he wanted.

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Aug 15, 2019 13:37:54   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
amfoto1 wrote:
While the camera itself is important, you also should look beyond it to the rest of the system to be sure what you get will meet your needs. For example and based upon your expressed interested, does the camera manufacturer offer portrait specific lenses or architectural lenses that best meet your needs?

The Nikon D850 is one heck of a camera. But is it "more than you need"? 46MP image files will be big... filling up hard drives and memory cards pretty quickly. You would need to make huge prints to make full use of such large image files. Would 30MP be sufficient? Or do you need even more... 50MP?

Does the Nikkor lens lineup fully meet your needs and is it the best value? Depending upon the type of portraits you shoot, you might want f/1.2 lenses, in which case the Canon system might be a better choice since it includes a number of those. Both Canon and Nikon systems include some architectural lenses.... Canon tilt-shift or Nikon perspective control lenses. But, compare the available focal lengths and prices. A starting point might be to compile a list of what you feel your current Pentax kit doesn't provide for your work, then look at the other systems to see if they fulfill those needs.

No system is "perfect". But the Nikon and Canon systems each have about 60 or 70 full frame capable lenses to choose among (far more than other manufacturers: Sony and Pentax included). While both offer a lot of choices, one or the other is likely to better meet your needs. You will need to study each of them carefully to decide. Make a list of what you want and then look up what each manufacturer offers, costs, etc.

Since you're basically planning to start over from scratch, this may be an opportunity to switch from DSLRs to mirrorless, too. There are advantages and disadvantages to both types of camera systems: DSLR versus mirrorless. You should educate about them. Probably the biggest drawback to mirrorless right now is a shortage of native lenses and specific accessories. Both Canon and Nikon have introduced full frame mirrorless cameras within the last year... Canon EOS R has essentially the same 30MP image sensor as the Canon 5D Mark IV... Nikon Z7 uses a 45MP sensor similar to the D850's. (Both manufacturers also offer lower cost 24MP variants: Nikon Z6 and Canon EOS RP.) Both systems have relatively few lenses made specifically for their cameras, so far. But a lot of lenses are "in the works" and both manufacturers offer adapters that allow their extensive lines of DSLR lenses to be fully used on the cameras. (Canon offers choice of several different EF to RF adapters, including some with added features such as a programmable control ring or a filter drawer.)

Among mirrorless, Sony currently has the most fully developed full frame system.... But, again, you will need to carefully evaluate if what they offer actually meets your specific needs. For example, AFAIK, they have no f/1.2 portrait lenses or tilt-shift/perspective control architectural lenses.
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Thanks Alan.....that was very helpful and honest and I enjoyed reading your post above.....

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Aug 15, 2019 13:42:59   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
CloudyCoastPhotography wrote:
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thousand times, so now 1001. And I’m sure I could find the answer on here with minimal searching but I’m asking again anyway. I’m not kind to trolls so please just skip to the next one if you aren’t friendly!
I’ve decided to move up in the world and say good-bye to my trusty Pentax, which has become an extension of my arm. I shoot portraits, real estate, classic cars, landscapes, etc and I make money doing it so I can justify spending or saving more and then spending. I’ve decided to go down the Canon or Nikon road; I’ve researched the D850 and it looks awesome. Is there an equally or slightly less awesome camera for a smaller budget? Please let me know if you have a D850 or different camera and what you think from your personal experience. Thanks for reading my long-ass question and for the (decent) responses I may get.
CCP
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thou... (show quote)


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You could look into a Nikon D810.

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Aug 15, 2019 13:52:19   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Tim Stapp wrote:
Suggestion, rent before you buy. It's one thing to walk into a camera store and check them out, but quite another to use for at least a few days. A few dollars spent renting can save you a few thousand in making the wrong choice.


DO NOT RENT BEFORE YOU BUY.
Unless price is no object.
Renting a unit long enough to really see if it is a fit will significantly reduce your budget. Rental of a D850 with a 70-200 (portrait lens) and a 14-24 (real estate and landscape lens) will run you nearly $400 a week. Given the range of the OP's interests let's say 2 weeks for $800 or 1/3 of the cost of the D850.

Retailers like B&H and Adorama understand this. This is why they have very easy 30 day return policies with no restocking fee in most cases.

Pros rent for specific purposes for specific jobs. And pros can deduct the cost from their taxes. Renting makes sense for pros. For the rest of us, not so much.

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Aug 15, 2019 14:09:15   #
wetreed
 
dsmeltz wrote:
DO NOT RENT BEFORE YOU BUY.
Unless price is no object.
Renting a unit long enough to really see if it is a fit will significantly reduce your budget. Rental of a D850 with a 70-200 (portrait lens) and a 14-24 (real estate and landscape lens) will run you nearly $400 a week. Given the range of the OP's interests let's say 2 weeks for $800 or 1/3 of the cost of the D850.

Retailers like B&H and Adorama understand this. This is why they have very easy 30 day return policies with no restocking fee in most cases.

Pros rent for specific purposes for specific jobs. And pros can deduct the cost from their taxes. Renting makes sense for pros. For the rest of us, not so much.
DO NOT RENT BEFORE YOU BUY. br Unless price is n... (show quote)


I don’t think renting makes. The prices you are almost a third of price of a D500. Doing careful research makes a lot more sense.

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Aug 15, 2019 14:38:57   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I didn't read all 5 pages, but has anyone mentioned the Canon EOS 5DS R? It seems to be in the same class as the 850. I saw it used at B&H for $2,600.

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Aug 15, 2019 14:40:32   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
dsmeltz wrote:
DO NOT RENT BEFORE YOU BUY.
Unless price is no object.
Renting a unit long enough to really see if it is a fit will significantly reduce your budget. Rental of a D850 with a 70-200 (portrait lens) and a 14-24 (real estate and landscape lens) will run you nearly $400 a week. Given the range of the OP's interests let's say 2 weeks for $800 or 1/3 of the cost of the D850.

Retailers like B&H and Adorama understand this. This is why they have very easy 30 day return policies with no restocking fee in most cases.

Pros rent for specific purposes for specific jobs. And pros can deduct the cost from their taxes. Renting makes sense for pros. For the rest of us, not so much.
DO NOT RENT BEFORE YOU BUY. br Unless price is n... (show quote)



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Aug 15, 2019 15:06:10   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
i have canon 5d mrk iv, love it but someday meybe I will learn to use it....takes a PHD to get it off auto... sigh.. my brownie reflex i could handle,,,

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Aug 15, 2019 15:42:18   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CloudyCoastPhotography wrote:
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thousand times, so now 1001. And I’m sure I could find the answer on here with minimal searching but I’m asking again anyway. I’m not kind to trolls so please just skip to the next one if you aren’t friendly!
I’ve decided to move up in the world and say good-bye to my trusty Pentax, which has become an extension of my arm. I shoot portraits, real estate, classic cars, landscapes, etc and I make money doing it so I can justify spending or saving more and then spending. I’ve decided to go down the Canon or Nikon road; I’ve researched the D850 and it looks awesome. Is there an equally or slightly less awesome camera for a smaller budget? Please let me know if you have a D850 or different camera and what you think from your personal experience. Thanks for reading my long-ass question and for the (decent) responses I may get.
CCP
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thou... (show quote)


For wide spread general use, today, I would get the Nikon mirrorless - no question about it !! - or the Canon mirrorless, OR, the SONY mirrorless.
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Aug 15, 2019 18:17:18   #
chevman Loc: Matthews, North Carolina
 
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Aug 15, 2019 18:23:49   #
JosephCosbyImages Loc: Santa Fe, New Mexico
 
I am a professional photographer - I have a Nikon 800D which was converted to an E. Great shape with CF cards, spare batteries, etc. If you are interested, let me know. Joseph

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Aug 15, 2019 21:11:35   #
Keen
 
CloudyCoastPhotography wrote:
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thousand times, so now 1001. And I’m sure I could find the answer on here with minimal searching but I’m asking again anyway. I’m not kind to trolls so please just skip to the next one if you aren’t friendly!
I’ve decided to move up in the world and say good-bye to my trusty Pentax, which has become an extension of my arm. I shoot portraits, real estate, classic cars, landscapes, etc and I make money doing it so I can justify spending or saving more and then spending. I’ve decided to go down the Canon or Nikon road; I’ve researched the D850 and it looks awesome. Is there an equally or slightly less awesome camera for a smaller budget? Please let me know if you have a D850 or different camera and what you think from your personal experience. Thanks for reading my long-ass question and for the (decent) responses I may get.
CCP
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thou... (show quote)


The D850 is great, but I don't have one. Slightly less awesome, and probably good enough for your needs, is the Nikon D750. I do have one of those. It is a bit older, but still very useful, and lower cost. The D750 uses the same lenses, speedlights, etc, that the D850 does. Later on, you can add a D850 to your kit, and work it into your work easily, without a lot of hassles. Canon makes some great cameras, but are a bit of a pain. Nikons can use many older, cheaper, lenses going back to items made in the 1950s, and 1960s, in some cases. I found a nice little 2001 vintage 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6G Nikon lens-originally designed for their film cameras-and bought it recently.....for $47.00! It is great.....very sharp. You will find more such bargains for Nikon cameras than you will for Canon cameras. I also have a great 1978 vintage 50mm f/1.2 lens that does well in low light. It was rather more expensive....but worth it. I have owned Canons, in the past, and been annoyed by / disappointed in, them for various reasons. I have never regretted any Nikon purchase. If money is no object, get the D850, and the costliest glass there is. If you are on a bit of a budget, go with the D750, and some bargain glass. That is my advice....for what it is worth. Of course, Canonites, Fujians, etc, will recommend their pet picks. Let us know what you decide to go with.

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Aug 15, 2019 23:21:36   #
tjw47 Loc: Michigan
 
For what you are doing why not get a Pentax K1 Mark ii.
You basically shoot the same type of photographs I do and the Pentax is Ideal. ( I have one ).
Nothing you mention requires a high frame rate or super fast focusing so why not look at Pentax ?

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Aug 16, 2019 05:26:23   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
CloudyCoastPhotography wrote:
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thousand times, so now 1001. And I’m sure I could find the answer on here with minimal searching but I’m asking again anyway. I’m not kind to trolls so please just skip to the next one if you aren’t friendly!
I’ve decided to move up in the world and say good-bye to my trusty Pentax, which has become an extension of my arm. I shoot portraits, real estate, classic cars, landscapes, etc and I make money doing it so I can justify spending or saving more and then spending. I’ve decided to go down the Canon or Nikon road; I’ve researched the D850 and it looks awesome. Is there an equally or slightly less awesome camera for a smaller budget? Please let me know if you have a D850 or different camera and what you think from your personal experience. Thanks for reading my long-ass question and for the (decent) responses I may get.
CCP
Okay, this question has probably been asked a thou... (show quote)


So a month ago you asked the same thing and you expect to be told what this time? Not a troll here just an observation. You came across as you really wanted serious replies and never said you posted basically the same thing on July 22. You even said you knew you could search when you already had the answers from before.

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