Need advice.. (Page 6): This guy, the OP, seeks attention

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

duane klipping wrote:

So a month ago you asked the same thing and you expect to be told what this time? Not a troll here just an observation. You came across as you really wanted serious replies and never said you posted basically the same thing on July 22. You even said you knew you could search when you already had the answers from before.

This guy, the OP, seeks attention—and he is getting it.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

wetreed wrote:

I don’t think renting makes. The prices you are almost a third of price of a D500. Doing careful research makes a lot more sense.

Exactly

Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset

Bill_de wrote:

Use Google like this:

Pentax Camera site: uglyhedgehog

to get something like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=pentax+camera+site%3A+uglyhedgehog&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gws_rd=ssl

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That a clever idea! Thanks for sharing.

Bill_de Loc: US

Heather Iles wrote:

That a clever idea! Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome.

We have user 'blackest' to thank for originally posting it.

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E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing the OP's question and moving on? Did I enable a "troll", I don't think so- so correct me if I am mistaken.

I took his post at face value. Like many others, he has asked for advice on changing his camera system. He specified that he needs the equipment of portraiture and real estate and a few other aspects of general photograhy on a professional or paying basis. Having professional experience in some of these specialties, I advised him, in the process of making his decision, to work backward from the lenses usually required for this kind of work, take into consideration the speed of the lenses, and the accompanying budgetary factors and go forward from there. I further advised him to consider a full-frame body to accommodate greater degrees of enlargement and determine with camer/lens combination was ergonomically suitable for his working methods.

I avoided a Nikon vs. Canon vs.Pentax conversation to avoid the usual silliness and assure him that all these manufacturers make high-quality gear and it boils down to his individual choices. I certainly don't take issue or object to folks discussing the attributes and advantages of gear they are familiar with and advise accordingly.

I am not on this site as often as many of the others. I usually do not have time or the desire to "investigate" everyone's prior posts for redundancy or troll-like tendencies. I am a professional photographer, NOT an amateur psychologist so I have no insight into everyone's motives for posting although some of the posts are obviously started to ignite a verbal riot. I have, on occasion, posted and told those OPs that their negativity is a bad idea and then moved on- that does not help!

In this case, I assumed the OP has a legitimate question. Perhaps he forgot that he posted it previously- some folks use several forums. Nor everyone is a great researcher and wants to seek out other's opinions. Some folks already have an idea of what the are going to purchase and just seek validation from other sources.

I did not admonish him for multiple posts, I did not criticize him for wanting to change is gear or upgrade it, nor did I assume he hand an unnecessary GAS attack. I did, however, advised him to examine his present complement of equipment and list any of its limitations or shortcomings and make certain his potentially new gear will address all those issues. If his preset gear is sufficient for this purposes, he will find out soon enough- insulting his intelligence is not helpful!

Not everyone that wants to upgrade or change their gear is a bad photographer who is blaming his equipment and is making frivolous expenditures. If someon is just tired of looking at the same old gear and simply want a change and can afford it, that's their right and prerogative- all I can do is offer my advice. Sometimes some new, shiny gear with all the bells and whistles is just what the doctor ordered for improving one's work, presenting new technical and learning challenges and encourages one to explore and maximize their new acquisitions.

So... folks, did I do badly?! Now, let's suppose I am a mistaken again and the OP is a dyed-in-the-wool "troll" who is only seeking attention and wants to ignite a riot, by not simply answering his question and moving on, or ignoring it entirely, y'all are just pouring fuel on a smoldering dumpster fire and fanning the flames.

There is simply too much of this kinda counterproductive unpleasantness for me. My enjoyment of this site is diminishing and I am seriously considering cutting down on my participation in most of the sections and eventually- soon, saying goodbye to the nice folks I have communicated with over the last number of years. I am always up for a good decorous debate but it seems "The Attic" has caved in and all its contents are falling into the "living room". Too bad!

Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset

E.L.. Shapiro wrote:

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing the OP's question and moving on? Did I enable a "troll", I don't think so- so correct me if I am mistaken.

I took his post at face value. Like many others, he has asked for advice on changing his camera system. He specified that he needs the equipment of portraiture and real estate and a few other aspects of general photograhy on a professional or paying basis. Having professional experience in some of these specialties, I advised him, in the process of making his decision, to work backward from the lenses usually required for this kind of work, take into consideration the speed of the lenses, and the accompanying budgetary factors and go forward from there. I further advised him to consider a full-frame body to accommodate greater degrees of enlargement and determine with camer/lens combination was ergonomically suitable for his working methods.

I avoided a Nikon vs. Canon vs.Pentax conversation to avoid the usual silliness and assure him that all these manufacturers make high-quality gear and it boils down to his individual choices. I certainly don't take issue or object to folks discussing the attributes and advantages of gear they are familiar with and advise accordingly.

I am not on this site as often as many of the others. I usually do not have time or the desire to "investigate" everyone's prior posts for redundancy or troll-like tendencies. I am a professional photographer, NOT an amateur psychologist so I have no insight into everyone's motives for posting although some of the posts are obviously started to ignite a verbal riot. I have, on occasion, posted and told those OPs that their negativity is a bad idea and then moved on- that does not help!

In this case, I assumed the OP has a legitimate question. Perhaps he forgot that he posted it previously- some folks use several forums. Nor everyone is a great researcher and wants to seek out other's opinions. Some folks already have an idea of what the are going to purchase and just seek validation from other sources.

I did not admonish him for multiple posts, I did not criticize him for wanting to change is gear or upgrade it, nor did I assume he hand an unnecessary GAS attack. I did, however, advised him to examine his present complement of equipment and list any of its limitations or shortcomings and make certain his potentially new gear will address all those issues. If his preset gear is sufficient for this purposes, he will find out soon enough- insulting his intelligence is not helpful!

Not everyone that wants to upgrade or change their gear is a bad photographer who is blaming his equipment and is making frivolous expenditures. If someon is just tired of looking at the same old gear and simply want a change and can afford it, that's their right and prerogative- all I can do is offer my advice. Sometimes some new, shiny gear with all the bells and whistles is just what the doctor ordered for improving one's work, presenting new technical and learning challenges and encourages one to explore and maximize their new acquisitions.

So... folks, did I do badly?! Now, let's suppose I am a mistaken again and the OP is a dyed-in-the-wool "troll" who is only seeking attention and wants to ignite a riot, by not simply answering his question and moving on, or ignoring it entirely, y'all are just pouring fuel on a smoldering dumpster fire and fanning the flames.

There is simply too much of this kinda counterproductive unpleasantness for me. My enjoyment of this site is diminishing and I am seriously considering cutting down on my participation in most of the sections and eventually- soon, saying goodbye to the nice folks I have communicated with over the last number of years. I am always up for a good decorous debate but it seems "The Attic" has caved in and all its contents are falling into the "living room". Too bad!

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing... (show quote)

Hi EL. Don't please leave as you are such an asset to the site. What with Linda going and now you are considering it? Oh no!. I always read your responses and have found them very helpful as you are very thorough in your explanations.

I haven't read all of the responses, but should anyone have offended you just please ignore them. You don't need them is the way I deal with such annoyances.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

E.L.. Shapiro wrote:

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing the OP's question and moving on? Did I enable a "troll", I don't think so- so correct me if I am mistaken.

I took his post at face value. Like many others, he has asked for advice on changing his camera system. He specified that he needs the equipment of portraiture and real estate and a few other aspects of general photograhy on a professional or paying basis. Having professional experience in some of these specialties, I advised him, in the process of making his decision, to work backward from the lenses usually required for this kind of work, take into consideration the speed of the lenses, and the accompanying budgetary factors and go forward from there. I further advised him to consider a full-frame body to accommodate greater degrees of enlargement and determine with camer/lens combination was ergonomically suitable for his working methods.

I avoided a Nikon vs. Canon vs.Pentax conversation to avoid the usual silliness and assure him that all these manufacturers make high-quality gear and it boils down to his individual choices. I certainly don't take issue or object to folks discussing the attributes and advantages of gear they are familiar with and advise accordingly.

I am not on this site as often as many of the others. I usually do not have time or the desire to "investigate" everyone's prior posts for redundancy or troll-like tendencies. I am a professional photographer, NOT an amateur psychologist so I have no insight into everyone's motives for posting although some of the posts are obviously started to ignite a verbal riot. I have, on occasion, posted and told those OPs that their negativity is a bad idea and then moved on- that does not help!

In this case, I assumed the OP has a legitimate question. Perhaps he forgot that he posted it previously- some folks use several forums. Nor everyone is a great researcher and wants to seek out other's opinions. Some folks already have an idea of what the are going to purchase and just seek validation from other sources.

I did not admonish him for multiple posts, I did not criticize him for wanting to change is gear or upgrade it, nor did I assume he hand an unnecessary GAS attack. I did, however, advised him to examine his present complement of equipment and list any of its limitations or shortcomings and make certain his potentially new gear will address all those issues. If his preset gear is sufficient for this purposes, he will find out soon enough- insulting his intelligence is not helpful!

Not everyone that wants to upgrade or change their gear is a bad photographer who is blaming his equipment and is making frivolous expenditures. If someon is just tired of looking at the same old gear and simply want a change and can afford it, that's their right and prerogative- all I can do is offer my advice. Sometimes some new, shiny gear with all the bells and whistles is just what the doctor ordered for improving one's work, presenting new technical and learning challenges and encourages one to explore and maximize their new acquisitions.

So... folks, did I do badly?! Now, let's suppose I am a mistaken again and the OP is a dyed-in-the-wool "troll" who is only seeking attention and wants to ignite a riot, by not simply answering his question and moving on, or ignoring it entirely, y'all are just pouring fuel on a smoldering dumpster fire and fanning the flames.

There is simply too much of this kinda counterproductive unpleasantness for me. My enjoyment of this site is diminishing and I am seriously considering cutting down on my participation in most of the sections and eventually- soon, saying goodbye to the nice folks I have communicated with over the last number of years. I am always up for a good decorous debate but it seems "The Attic" has caved in and all its contents are falling into the "living room". Too bad!

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing... (show quote)

Your advice, your experience, is always appreciated.

jaycoffman Loc: San Diego

E.L.. Shapiro wrote:

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing the OP's question and moving on? Did I enable a "troll", I don't think so- so correct me if I am mistaken.

I took his post at face value. Like many others, he has asked for advice on changing his camera system. He specified that he needs the equipment of portraiture and real estate and a few other aspects of general photograhy on a professional or paying basis. Having professional experience in some of these specialties, I advised him, in the process of making his decision, to work backward from the lenses usually required for this kind of work, take into consideration the speed of the lenses, and the accompanying budgetary factors and go forward from there. I further advised him to consider a full-frame body to accommodate greater degrees of enlargement and determine with camer/lens combination was ergonomically suitable for his working methods.

I avoided a Nikon vs. Canon vs.Pentax conversation to avoid the usual silliness and assure him that all these manufacturers make high-quality gear and it boils down to his individual choices. I certainly don't take issue or object to folks discussing the attributes and advantages of gear they are familiar with and advise accordingly.

I am not on this site as often as many of the others. I usually do not have time or the desire to "investigate" everyone's prior posts for redundancy or troll-like tendencies. I am a professional photographer, NOT an amateur psychologist so I have no insight into everyone's motives for posting although some of the posts are obviously started to ignite a verbal riot. I have, on occasion, posted and told those OPs that their negativity is a bad idea and then moved on- that does not help!

In this case, I assumed the OP has a legitimate question. Perhaps he forgot that he posted it previously- some folks use several forums. Nor everyone is a great researcher and wants to seek out other's opinions. Some folks already have an idea of what the are going to purchase and just seek validation from other sources.

I did not admonish him for multiple posts, I did not criticize him for wanting to change is gear or upgrade it, nor did I assume he hand an unnecessary GAS attack. I did, however, advised him to examine his present complement of equipment and list any of its limitations or shortcomings and make certain his potentially new gear will address all those issues. If his preset gear is sufficient for this purposes, he will find out soon enough- insulting his intelligence is not helpful!

Not everyone that wants to upgrade or change their gear is a bad photographer who is blaming his equipment and is making frivolous expenditures. If someon is just tired of looking at the same old gear and simply want a change and can afford it, that's their right and prerogative- all I can do is offer my advice. Sometimes some new, shiny gear with all the bells and whistles is just what the doctor ordered for improving one's work, presenting new technical and learning challenges and encourages one to explore and maximize their new acquisitions.

So... folks, did I do badly?! Now, let's suppose I am a mistaken again and the OP is a dyed-in-the-wool "troll" who is only seeking attention and wants to ignite a riot, by not simply answering his question and moving on, or ignoring it entirely, y'all are just pouring fuel on a smoldering dumpster fire and fanning the flames.

There is simply too much of this kinda counterproductive unpleasantness for me. My enjoyment of this site is diminishing and I am seriously considering cutting down on my participation in most of the sections and eventually- soon, saying goodbye to the nice folks I have communicated with over the last number of years. I am always up for a good decorous debate but it seems "The Attic" has caved in and all its contents are falling into the "living room". Too bad!

Hey, Did I do something wrong by simply addressing... (show quote)

Hey, I'm not the OP but I though you addressed his post very well and I got a lot from it too. You stated in a very logical way his issues and a method of analysis that fit--yet your comments had universal appeal. I also do not like the tendency of some to blame every issue on the photographer--if that's all it was we'd all be using old box cameras. The truth is that there are different aspects of different equipment and manufacturers and most of us try to get the ones that suit our style of photography the best. I also don't care that he posted a similar issue before--quite often I'll get different "real world" input after a post and then want to discuss it again with the forum. So it's clear some of us value your input.

Imagemine Loc: St. Louis USA

first I'm a Nikon shooter and think highly of the brand and can talk about Nikon , a cheaper way to go is the d500 it is the little brother of the d5 & d850, the d850 is the d500 on steroids , but I'm sure Canon has comparable cameras to make things more complicated have heard good things about Fuji's GFX & all of Fuji's x line , hope you can use some of that info.

ralphhipps

Lots of good feedback here.

The rent before you buy idea is excellent.

I’m not a pro, but I love my Nikons, esp my D600. It’s a bit lower cost than the top of the line stuff, a bit lighter too, but still full frame.

Just my $0.02. =)