Again, sane folks do not deny climate change, or separately global warming. However we're only around 150 years since the end of the last mini-ice age. And the fact that industrial output surged at the end of WWII, has contributed to increased global temperatures. No denial there.

Carbon dioxide levels are at record low levels. Our saturation of +/- .04%, is far below historical levels. Increased CO2 levels are called for. Increased CO2 extends the crop growing season, traps moisture in the ground, insures higher crop yields. And people benefit from warmer temperatures, not colder. Cold causes drought, not heat, because cold air can't hold moisture. The Antarctic is a perfect example.

Consensus is not science, despite NASA's statement. Science requires that ideas be posited, challenged, re-posited, and challenged again. It's a never-ending cycle of testing and retesting; measuring and remeasuring. No science is ever settled, because technology development never stops; and it's technology that drives science, not the other way around.

Speaking of NASA.....

25 NASA scientists disagree....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhW-B2udhQw


Here's the 500 million year GEOCARB CO2 graph.  Time 0 is today at 380ppm.  It's the lowest point on the graph all the way to the left.  The 1st smaller peak is the dinosaur era at 1000-2200ppm.  And the large peak is the Cambrian explosion which was the most prolific creation event for animals in history at greater than 7000ppm.  Al Gore and the fake scientists want you to believe that CO2 going from 350ppm to 380ppm over 180 years is life threatening.  They should study this graph.  Because the most prolific times ever for animal and plant life were during periods where CO2 was dramatically higher than today.  It's b/c plants need CO2 for food.  And the more plants grow, the more animals grow.  That is the evidence.   It's pretty simple.

Honestly I don't recall. I do know about and agree with you about the doom and gloom predictions that were supposed to have taken place but have not.

I never recall the date but there was a news article back around 1928 or a little later saying that global freezing would take place and everyone should start worrying. Of course that never happened either.

I would have to look it up but I recall a number of climate scientists who once went along with the global warming crisis who have since recanted saying they went along with the theories because if they did not they would not receive funding for their work.

Personally I believe in the global warming theory and don't know of anybody who does not believe the earth is warming. The problem/difference between me and the Liberal version is the Liberals insist that if we all donate to some huge world wide fund the money will be put to good use to save the planet. I have read that more CO2 is the problem. But then I just read that one volcano that erupted recently put more CO2 into the atmosphere than all humans combined since the dawn of cavemen.

I don't think I am going to worry a whole lot about the sky falling just yet.

Dennis

Very few sane people will state that the climate doesn't change. Even throwing out all climate change before man's ascent, we see periodic massive changes in the world's climate. There is even some truth that man has contributed to global warming. Since the end of WWII, and the leap in global manufacturing, there is evidence of man's contribution to warming. However, man is not the prime driver in either phenomenon.

In the Northern climes, the polar Jet Stream is a prime cause in temperature variation. It moves north and south in odd cycles, causing warm air to be pulled up from the tropics, and pushed down as part of its global travel. As the seasons change with the earth's wobble, we're affected by phenomena in Asia. One of the harbingers of our winter, is the weather in Northern Asia in October. As it goes, so does our winter.

Another thing people don't consider is the movement of air (90%) over the top of the earth's surface. The atmosphere doesn't "cling" to any part of the earth's surface. This alone makes it nearly impossible to guess the change in climate.

Global cooling is far more likely over the next 5K years than warming. We're about 10K years since the last ice age, and the ice ages run in 10K-15K cycles. As others have noted, you will die a nasty starvation death from cold before you die from warmth. Just read about Europe in the 11th Century. Crops failed and starvation was among the worst killers of France's population. And, the earth has been much warmer in the last 5K years. There is physical evidence of tropical fruits being grown as far north as Hadrian's Wall in England. Today, that would be impossible.

Honestly I don't recall. I do know about and agree with you about the doom and gloom predictions that were supposed to have taken place but have not.

I never recall the date but there was a news article back around 1928 or a little later saying that global freezing would take place and everyone should start worrying. Of course that never happened either.

I would have to look it up but I recall a number of climate scientists who once went along with the global warming crisis who have since recanted saying they went along with the theories because if they did not they would not receive funding for their work.

Personally I believe in the global warming theory and don't know of anybody who does not believe the earth is warming. The problem/difference between me and the Liberal version is the Liberals insist that if we all donate to some huge world wide fund the money will be put to good use to save the planet. I have read that more CO2 is the problem. But then I just read that one volcano that erupted recently put more CO2 into the atmosphere than all humans combined since the dawn of cavemen.

I don't think I am going to worry a whole lot about the sky falling just yet.

Dennis