rwoodvira

There's a fairly good, but brief article in Time on the current warming trend:
https://time.com/5630009/heatwave-climate-crisis-june-record/

I have health issues and for the last few days, I've made my trips outside as infrequent as possible. For the last few years, I've had some
tough conversations with very conservative friends about g****l w*****g. Several have insisted that its BS, but I tend to read the scientific reports. We currently have an administration that doesn't believe it, but the evidence is pretty much damning. This article
only hits a few points. My concern is for my children and grandchildren. How will they live when the current heatwave becomes the norm and not an aberration?

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

I agree!! However, watch how this becomes a two sided political diatribe. Look out - here they come.
Mark

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Weather is probably cyclic.

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

I agree that g****l w*****g is a reality. I believe, however, that it is a natural cycle of w*****r p*****n. We humans haven’t caused it, and there isn’t anything we can do about it other than adjust to it. Anyone who thinks we can stop it by not burning coal, eliminating cow farts, etc., is simply ignorant of the facts of nature.

Ollieboy

I agree. There is no way us mere mortals have the power to change clmate. Its a very profitable industry that no one ever addreses, the MONEY.

Toby

I believe you are an i***t if you don't look at the science and believe the climate isn't changing. The only argument I see is what is causing it and is it part of a long term cycle?

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Would you rather be living in an ice age? It's awful hard to grow food in a snow bank. I'll take that most wonderful invention of all time, air-conditioning and have something to eat. If you can hang around long enough, the heat will just be a fond memory.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Definitely.
The cycle could be longer that the recorded weather information we have.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

OK. So the sky is falling because a Berkeley Prof says so. Really? A Berkeley professor? Have you ever been to Berkeley? Have you ever attended school in Berkeley? I'll listen to the other contributors to the article, maybe.

pendennis

Very few sane people will state that the climate doesn't change. Even throwing out all c*****e c****e before man's ascent, we see periodic massive changes in the world's climate. There is even some t***h that man has contributed to g****l w*****g. Since the end of WWII, and the leap in global manufacturing, there is evidence of man's contribution to warming. However, man is not the prime driver in either phenomenon.

In the Northern climes, the polar Jet Stream is a prime cause in temperature variation. It moves north and south in odd cycles, causing warm air to be pulled up from the tropics, and pushed down as part of its global travel. As the seasons change with the earth's wobble, we're affected by phenomena in Asia. One of the harbingers of our winter, is the weather in Northern Asia in October. As it goes, so does our winter.

Another thing people don't consider is the movement of air (90%) over the top of the earth's surface. The atmosphere doesn't "cling" to any part of the earth's surface. This alone makes it nearly impossible to guess the change in climate.

G****l c*****g is far more likely over the next 5K years than warming. We're about 10K years since the last ice age, and the ice ages run in 10K-15K cycles. As others have noted, you will die a nasty starvation death from cold before you die from warmth. Just read about Europe in the 11th Century. Crops failed and starvation was among the worst k**lers of France's population. And, the earth has been much warmer in the last 5K years. There is physical evidence of tropical fruits being grown as far north as Hadrian's Wall in England. Today, that would be impossible.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Absolutely correct!

rwoodvira

Thought I'd stir the pot one more time. I certainly respect your opinions, but according to NASA 97% of the actively publishing climate scientists agree that "Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities......"
Citation: https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
It shows a list of groups that support this conclusion within the US and the article forwards to worldwide organizations. Many go into more detail. I kinda go with them over our Fearless Leader (PS I primarily v**e Republican).

The problem isn't just creating greenhouse gases - the amount of forests is shrinking rapidly, the Amazon basin, etc.

On the Berkley comment - nope didn't go there, but when I attended two different campuses of Rutgers back in the late 60's and early 70's we were called "Berkeley East." I am very conservative on some issues and liberal on others - notably healthcare as I'm a cancer counselor and have seen how the average Joe gets ripped off by the system. Oh, back on the Berkley issue, conservatives will be happy to know that I almost got into a fistfight with an SDS member in one of my classes. He strongly objected to me calling him a parasite.

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Frequently I see the terms, many intended to be pejorative, "demo, Lib, Conservative, Republican, Basement Dweller, ...
My objection is that they are just terms, not descriptive. Wouldn't it be better and less inflammatory to simply state what one believes - leaving out the generalized pejorative terms. If you want to know what I (politically) believe or what my opinion is, just ask. Using names, throwing slurs at me or even worse, attempts to put me in a category is inaccurate and only creates dissension. We seem to have enough dissention and name calling in society. Let's take the high road. Just my opinion.
Mark

pendennis

Again, sane folks do not deny c*****e c****e, or separately g****l w*****g. However we're only around 150 years since the end of the last mini-ice age. And the fact that industrial output surged at the end of WWII, has contributed to increased global temperatures. No denial there.

Carbon dioxide levels are at record low levels. Our saturation of +/- .04%, is far below historical levels. Increased CO2 levels are called for. Increased CO2 extends the crop growing season, traps moisture in the ground, insures higher crop yields. And people benefit from warmer temperatures, not colder. Cold causes drought, not heat, because cold air can't hold moisture. The Antarctic is a perfect example.

Consensus is not science, despite NASA's statement. Science requires that ideas be posited, challenged, re-posited, and challenged again. It's a never-ending cycle of testing and retesting; measuring and remeasuring. No science is ever settled, because technology development never stops; and it's technology that drives science, not the other way around.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

I can live with that.