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Jul 10, 2019 11:13:14   #
royden Loc: Decatur, GA
 
LDB415 wrote:
I just ordered an 80D refurb 2 lens kit from Canon for $699. It's supposed to arrive tomorrow. I don't know if you can beat a deal like that.


Best deal in town. Got mine a week ago. Brand new as far I can tell.

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Jul 10, 2019 11:33:28   #
gmango85
 
With that EFS I would go with the 7D Mark ll.

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Jul 10, 2019 11:36:06   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
johnst1001a wrote:
ditto, the 5dmk3 is a good camera. i have the mark 4 now which great, but the msrk 3 is very good too, so if budget is an issue buy a use mk3.


As already noted twice, the EFS lens (18-200) won't mount any Canon full frame body.

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Jul 10, 2019 11:41:31   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I’m a bit surprised nobody has mentioned the R or RP... perhaps because of the DSLR stated or the cost. Aren’t almost all the current Canon Crop bodies in the 24mp range now other than the 7 series... I don’t follow them that closely but that’s my perception.


Possibly because none of the OP's lenses are native mount on an EOS R or RP body.

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Jul 10, 2019 11:47:54   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Bike guy wrote:
I found a great deal on Canon lenses at a garage sale.
Bought a 50mm EF1.8, 80mm EF1.8, and 18-200 EFS .
They look great. I know nothing about Canon cameras, been years since I had an EOS and AE.
What would be a reasonable 24 mg pixel to look for in the second hand market?


To use BOTH the EF lenses and the EF-S 18-200mm (and all other EF-S lenses, some of which are excellent), you will need to get one of Canon's "APS-C" or "crop sensor" camera models. EF-S lenses cannot be used on full frame cameras (such as the 5D-series and 6D-series Canon). Canon offers a huge selection of lenses.... approx. 90 total. Of those, all can be used on the APS-C crop cameras..... while the full frame cameras are limited to using about 60 EF lenses. Canon has been making EF lenses for 30+ years.... and they will all work on the following APS-C models.

On a Canon APS-C camera, that EF 50mm f/1.8 will "act like" an 80mm lens did on film cameras, makes for a nice short tele/portrait lens. The EF 85mm f/1.8 you got will "act like" approx. 135mm lens did on film ("full frame") cameras. And that zoom will "act like" approx. 29-300mm lens would have on full frame/film cameras.

BTW, there have been three versions of the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 lens... the original was intro'd in 1989 and was a decent little lens, though it wasn't particularly fast focusing. They cheapened it in a "II" version, a lot more plasticky, deleted the distance scale. Back when the "II" was still being sold new, old used copies of the original lens actually cost more! More recently Canon revised the lens again and it's now an "STM" model with improved autofocus performance and a little better build quality, but still offered at a quite reasonable cost (around $125).

Current Canon DSLRs that can use all the lenses you listed include:

- EOS 7D Mark II...$1400... 20MP, dual Digic 6 processors, ISO 100-16000 (expands to 51200), 1/8000 top shutter speed & 1/250 flash sync, 10 frames sec, 65-point AF system (-3EV, f/8 capable), 100% .95X pentaprism viewfinder, fixed 3" rear LCD monitor, dual memory card slots (1 SD, 1 CF), larger LP-E6N batteries, BG-E battery/vertical grip available (double battery capacity & add vertical controls).

- EOS 80D... $1000.... 24MP, Digic 6 processor, ISO 100-16000 (expands to 25600), 1/8000 top shutter speed & 1/250 flash sync, 7 fps, 45-point AF system (-3EV, f/8 capable), 100% .95X pentaprism viewfinder, articulated 3" rear LCD Touch Screen, single SD memory card slot, larger LP-E6N batteries, BG-E battery/vertical grip available.

- EOS 77D... 24MP, Digic 7 processor, ISO 100-25600 (expands to 51200), 1/4000 top shutter speed & 1/200 flash sync, 6 fps, 45-point AF system (-3EV, f/8 capable), 95% .82X penta-mirror viewfinder, articulated 3" rear LCD Touch Screen, single SD memory card slot, smaller LP-E17 battery (fewer shots per charge), no provision for battery/vertical grip. Note: control and display differ from T7i. Despite the name, this camera "is a Rebel series" model. It replaced the Rebel T6s and has the same shutter specs and cost/weight saving penta-mirror as other Rebels.

- EOS Rebel T7i (800D)... $700... 24MP, Digic 7 processor, ISO 100-25600 (expands to 51200), 1/4000 top shutter speed & 1/200 flash sync, 6 fps, 45-point AF system (-3EV, f/8 capable), 95% .82X penta-mirror viewfinder, articulated 3" rear LCD Touch Screen, single SD memory card slot, smaller LP-E17 battery (fewer shots per charge), no provision for battery/vertical grip. Note: controls and display differ from 77D.

- EOS Rebel SL2 (200D) & SL3 (250D)... $550... 24MP, Digic 7 processor, ISO 100-25600 (expands to 51200), 1/4000 top shutter speed & 1/200 flash sync, 5 fps, 9-point AF system (-0.5EV, f/5.6 limited), 95% .82X penta-mirror viewfinder, articulated 3" rear LCD Touch Screen, single SD memory card slot, smaller LP-E17 battery (fewer shots per charge), no provision for battery/vertical grip. Note: World's smallest and lightest DSLRs. These two models are very similar... the SL3 has improved battery efficiency and slightly enhanced WiFi connectivity.

- EOS Rebel T7 (2000D)... $400 w/18-55mm lens... 24MP, Digic 4 processor, ISO 100-6400 (expands to 12800), 1/4000 top shutter speed & 1/200 flash sync, 3 fps, 9-point AF system (-0.5EV, f/5.6 limited), 95% .80X penta-mirror viewfinder, fixed 3" rear LCD screen, single SD memory card slot, smaller LP-E10 battery (fewer shots per charge), no provision for battery/vertical grip. Note: The T7 is the most entry-level/affordable Canon DSLR avail. in N. America... there is another, lower spec and less expensive model being sold in other parts of the world.


Model designations listed first above are used in N. America. Those listed in parens are model designations outside N. America.

Prices listed above are for new camera, body only (except T7 which is only sold in kit with lens) from known, well-established, reputable stores. If you search online you will find lower offers from unknown sellers. BEWARE.... there are a lot of shysters out there. If a price much less than the largest, long-established reputable dealers in the country (such as Adorama and B&H Photo) can offer, there's usually an unpleasant catch of some sort... cheaper items substituted or items held back and then offered at excessive prices, bait-n-switch, etc.

If shopping used, I'd recommend 70D or the original 7D models as top candidates...

70D that preceded the 80D (obviously!) has a lot of similarity with the newer model and the 7DII. It uses a 20MP sensor, similar to 7DII's. It uses a 19-point AF system inherited from the original 7D (also used in T6i and T6s). 80D and 70D share the same battery grip.

70D also was the first Canon model to feature Dual Pixel AF (DPAF) in Live View and video modes. This is much better performing than the contrast detection focus method used on previous models. All the current models above use DPAF except the T7/2000D.

7D was the 18MP predecessor to the current 7D Mark II (d'oh!). It also features high performance AF system, although it has considerably fewer AF points: 19. The original 7D's AF system also isn't quite as low light capable or able to work with f/8 equiv. lens/teleconverter combos.... both of which the 7DII can do. The 7D and 7DII are the only APS-C Canon models that use dual processors to support fast frame rates, as well as a separate chip running the AF system to help it perform better (this is similar to what Canon has done for many years with their top-of-the-line, pro oriented 1D-series cameras, to make them among the fastest focusing and higher performance cameras available). 7D and 7DII also have higher spec shutters that are rated for longer life (150,000 and 200,000 "clicks", respectively). They also use predominantly magnesium outer body panels (i.e., less plastic than other models) and have extra sealing for weather/dust resistance.

Anti-Flicker is a feature that improves exposure accuracy under certain types of lighting. It was intro'd on 7D Mark II and is also found on all the other current models except the T7/2000D. (70D and &D also don't have this).

Note that the 70D, 80D, 7D, 7DII all have true pentaprism, 100% viewfinders with higher magnification. In the real world, these specs translate into bigger, brighter viewfinders than the other models, which use "penta-mirrors" to save weight and cost.

Shopping for a deal, you might want to consider refurbished cameras at the Canon USA website. They are offered at considerable discount, but often have seen little actual use and look like new, plus have the same warranty as new. All the above models are represented there, but stock comes and goes quickly. You may have to wait. And when a model you want comes available, you may need to move quickly before they sell out.

EDIT: You've discovered a phenomenon here (and on other photography blogs).... Lotsa "Full Frame" fanboyz and fangirlz. Also a lot of folks think mirrorless cameras are the only thing worth considering. Truth is, the majority of interchangeable cameras being sold today are DSLRs and the majority of those are crop sensor type. I made excellent 16x20" prints from images out of 8MP and 15MP APS-C cameras.... it's even easier using today's 20MP and 24MP cameras with that sensor format. Mirrorless cameras are cool, too... To fully use the lenses you bought, you'd need to consider Canon's M-series (which have the same 24MP APS-C sensors as many of the above). HOWEVER, be aware that you'll need an adapter to use EF/EF-S lenses on an M-series camera, have relatively few native EF-M lenses available and aren't as fast focusing as the DSLRs above. They also use smaller batteries and get far fewer shots per charge.

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Jul 10, 2019 11:51:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
elliott937 wrote:
You are getting some really great suggestions here. I'd like to make a contribution too.

Having begun with a Canon 20D back "then", (for $1,400), I finally graduated to a really super camera with the Canon 5DII camera. Okay, about three years ago, it became clear to me that Cannon may soon stop supporting the 5DII, so I decided to purchase a second 5DII body. And the reason I'm telling you all this is because through Craig's List, I met a seller at a restaurant, who was asking only $350 for his used 5DII body. The shutter count was low. We took a table near the front window, so I was able to mount one of my L-series lenses onto it, to which I took about two dozen pics with it. The images on the LCD screen were fine, so I bought it, for that low price. I've have used it since and get the same great results I realize from my original 5DII body. So, consider buying a quality used body. I think you could do well with a 5DII, or 5DII, or a 5DIV.
You are getting some really great suggestions here... (show quote)


The OP will not be able to mount or use their EFS lenses on the 5D Series.
They need to stick with bodies compatible with the lens

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Jul 10, 2019 11:54:33   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Generally true that the EFS lenses will not mount to a FF or APS-H sensor Canon body. They can be mounted by using an extension tube first. This will have some side effects but it can be done. Not sure of the valve of it and each would have to decide that on their own. Your easy answer would be to get an APS-C body which would work with all three lenses.


As we all know an extension tube limits the lens to strictly macro type shots.
Nothing more than a foot away.
Destroys the usefulness of the lens and body unless the OP only wants to do cloeup macro type of shots.

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Jul 10, 2019 12:03:20   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
But so many are hot on mirrorless and all the lenses will work with the adapter. I believe the adapter is included in some offers... Just surprised me no one brought it up.

rmorrison1116 wrote:
Possibly because none of the OP's lenses are native mount on an EOS R or RP body.

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Jul 10, 2019 12:08:18   #
Haydon
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
But so many are hot on mirrorless and all the lenses will work with the adapter. I believe the adapter is included in some offers... Just surprised me no one brought it up.


I will be interested in Canon's second round. The lack of IBIS, a second card slot and reliable Eye AF found on the Sony's makes it a non starter (for myself). In some ways (not all) Canon's first round at best is a lateral move to their comparable DLSR line.

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Jul 10, 2019 12:22:51   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Any "S" lens will not work on a full frame camera

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Jul 10, 2019 12:27:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Architect1776 wrote:
This is a bit silly seeing as the OP has a lens that will NOT mount on a 5D MIII.
I would imagine that they would like to mount all their lenses on the new camera.


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Jul 10, 2019 12:36:55   #
dick ranez
 
Any cropped sensor body will be just fine - determined by your budget. Used bodies will run anywhere from $75 to $1000 depending on age and usage, new bodies from $400-$1200 or so.

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Jul 10, 2019 12:38:07   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
SnappyHappy wrote:
I’m not familiar with your 80mm lens but your “s” series will only mount on a crop sensor camera, the 50mm will mount either crop or full frame. I’m going to suggest a used 7D will handle all your glass and give you the resolution you are looking for. Check KEH, B&H and Adorama used departments. If you’re careful in your research you could find a great deal on eBay as well. Good luck with your selection and post some photos when you’re up and shooting.


Snappy - the 7D is a Crop Sensor Camera, so - the EF 80mm f1.8 - will NOT work on it …

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Jul 10, 2019 12:42:53   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Chris T wrote:
Snappy - the 7D is a Crop Sensor Camera, so - the 80mm f1.8 - will NOT work on it …

In what respect?
Don't the crop sensor cameras have both red and white dots on the body and will accept either FF or APS-C lenses?

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Jul 10, 2019 12:47:38   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Chris T wrote:
Snappy - the 7D is a Crop Sensor Camera, so - the 80mm f1.8 - will NOT work on it …



This is INCORRECT... Canon crop sensor cameras such as 7D can use BOTH crop-design lenses (EF-S) and full frame-design lenses (EF) equally well.

Yes, the 7D is a crop sensor camera... you are correct about that.

However 7D can FULLY USE a Canon EF- 85mm f/1.8 USM** lens... No problem! The lens will simply "act a little longer telephoto" than it would on a full frame camera, due to the crop of the APS-C size sensor.

You've got it completely backward. Full frame cameras have more limited lens selection than crop sensor models. Canon makes approx. 90 different lenses for their DSLRs presently and has produced some 125 million EF and EF-S lenses over the past 30 years. ALL of them work just fine on all the recent APS-C camera models (T7, SL2, SL3, T7i, 77D, 80D, 7D Mark II).

It's the full frame cameras (6D-series, 5D-series, 1DX-series, 1Ds-series) that are limited to only using EF lenses... or about 2/3 the lenses for DSLRs that Canon currently offers. This is still a pretty darned good selection of lenses.

Personally I own and use both Canon full frame (5D-series) and Canon APS-C cameras (incl. two 7D and two 7D Mark II)... and one of the lenses I've used extensively on both camera formats is a Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM**.

I actually use APS-C cameras far more than the full frame, because a lot of my work involves telephotos and sports action, which is where the APS-C cameras really shine and work in your favor. Most of the lenses I use on those APS-C cameras are "EF" or full frame designs. I have a few "crop only" lenses.

**There is no Canon EF "80mm" f/1.8 lens. Never has been. I assume this was a minor typo in the initial post.

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