Trump failed at obstruction because his aides refused to carry out orders, Mueller finds (Page 2): Spanked Ya!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Spanked Ya!

BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky

BigWahoo wrote:

"Had President Donald Trump been left to his ... (show quote)

searchable Mueller report:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html

BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky

"Mueller built an extensive case indicating the Republican president had committed obstruction of justice but stopped short of concluding he had committed a crime, though he did not exonerate the president. Mueller noted that Congress has the power to address whether Trump violated the law.

“The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President’s corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law,” the report stated.

Mueller also unearthed “numerous links” between the Russian government and Trump’s campaign and said the president’s team “expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts,” referring to hacked Democratic emails. "

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

Frank T wrote:

Not really,
I'm having a pretty good day. Trump is pulling out what's left of his hair and his great day yesterday has degraded into a shitstorm today.
Remember, It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

Does Sara sing like she lies?

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

BlurrE'yeyed wrote:

Apparently had you read further and in full context the "I'm F___'d!" quote was his concern about implementing his agenda. The Mueller report clearly makes the case that there was no collusion, you guys lose, game over but you and your media will continue to try and relitigate it until you somehow miraculously come to some other alternative.

What about the statement, "This is the end of my Presidency"?
Is that out of context too?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Frank T wrote:

What about the statement, "This is the end of my Presidency"?
Is that out of context too?

Holy crap Frank, I put the entire paragraph that comes out of in this thread, do you have a reading comprehension problem, the statement was not an admission of guilt but rather lamenting the political fight and investigative processes that would stall his agenda. Mueller admits so in his report, it is here in this thread.

You, SB, Big Fish, and others are blinded by hatred, not much more needs to be said. BTW when did the DOJ begin using Guilty Until Proven Innocent as a investigative standard? That is how this whole investigation proceeded and how the democraps are still pursuing it today.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

BigWahoo wrote:

"Mueller built an extensive case indicating t... (show quote)

Regarding Exoneration. Our legal system NEVER uses this word. Either guilty or not guilty are the word that our system uses, Innocent is not used either.The Mueller report fond that there was not enough evidence to charge obstruction. End of story. If an investigator, or a procecutor finds there is not enough evidence to charge any crime, end of story.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

boberic wrote:

Regarding Exoneration. Our legal system NEVER uses this word. Either guilty or not guilty are the word that our system uses, Innocent is not used either.The Mueller report fond that there was not enough evidence to charge obstruction. End of story. If an investigator, or a procecutor finds there is not enough evidence to charge any crime, end of story.

You're right, lots of guilty people beat the system.
Trump's one talent is being dishonest and getting away with it.
Not to worry. There's plenty of investigations still ongoing and one of them will bear fruit.
The only thing that puzzles me is why all these self-proclaimed "patriots" on the right are fully on board with a President who lies and orders his staff to perform illegal acts?
Is the bar really that low?

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Frank T wrote:

You're right, lots of guilty people beat the system.
Trump's one talent is being dishonest and getting away with it.
Not to worry. There's plenty of investigations still ongoing and one of them will bear fruit.
The only thing that puzzles me is why all these self-proclaimed "patriots" on the right are fully on board with a President who lies and orders his staff to perform illegal acts?
Is the bar really that low?

He owns the Barr and it's low.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

Frank T wrote:

You're right, lots of guilty people beat the system.
Trump's one talent is being dishonest and getting away with it.
Not to worry. There's plenty of investigations still ongoing and one of them will bear fruit.
The only thing that puzzles me is why all these self-proclaimed "patriots" on the right are fully on board with a President who lies and orders his staff to perform illegal acts?
Is the bar really that low?

First. Trump did not order any one on his staff to commit anything illegal. He had the perfect right to fire the AG the DFBI or even Meuller. For whatevrer the reason, after Comey. he fired no one. Trump was never even charged with any crime, so guilt or not was not an issue. Trump ordered not one executive privelege regarding the investigation. He gave Meullker any thing he asked for. Both Clinton and Nixon used executive privelige multiple times when they were investigated. I voted for Trump because I could not vote for his oponent as she was a proven felon. And woukd have been a flat out disaster as president. And to date the countrys economy is far better off as a result of Trump's presidency, and that is more important to me than anything else. My investments are up over 30% since Trump took office. Unemployment is at a low, GDP is up. If this continues Trump is a gurantee for re-election.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Frank T wrote:

You're right, lots of guilty people beat the system.
Trump's one talent is being dishonest and getting away with it.
Not to worry. There's plenty of investigations still ongoing and one of them will bear fruit.
The only thing that puzzles me is why all these self-proclaimed "patriots" on the right are fully on board with a President who lies and orders his staff to perform illegal acts?
Is the bar really that low?

It is arguable as to if it would have been an illegal act, what would his motive have been if there was no underlying crime? To free his presidency of undue harassment by a bunch of asshole democrat politicians and their deep state operatives? Not necessarily a crime Frank.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

BigWahoo wrote:

"Had President Donald Trump been left to his ... (show quote)

So your point is nothing more than Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. None of the above did happen so there is not much point in discussing it. Are you trying to have Trump impeached, imprisoned for his thoughts? That is one hell of a stretch isn't it? If nothing happened then there is no crime/no foul/certainly no reason for any Liberal whining and bitching. Yet here you are.

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Blurryeyed wrote:

Pobrecito, you are still losing.

Frank is losing because at heart he is a LOSER. Nothing he will ever do or say can possibly change that.

Sucks to be Frank.

Dennis

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

boberic wrote:

First. Trump did not order any one on his staff to commit anything illegal. Actually, his staff thwarted him numerous times by not following through with his demands to break the law!

He had the perfect right to fire the AG the DFBI or even Meuller. For whatevrer the reason, after Comey. he fired no one.

Trump was never even charged with any crime, so guilt or not was not an issue. trump wasn't charged ONLY because of the DOJ "Policy" that won't allow a sitting president to be indicted. There are 5 of the 11 Obstruction of Justice findings against trump that are indictable! There is a 5 year statute of limitations in the findings that each extend into 2022 from the last action taken on them, so as soon as the next President is sworn in on January 20, 2021, and trump leaves the stage on the Capital steps, he'll be arrested! You can bet that the press will have a field day with that arrest! PERP WALK!

Trump ordered not one executive privelege regarding the investigation. That was a mistake of his own doing, eroneously believing that he was ABOVE THE LAW. trump is NOT above the law!

He gave Meullker any thing he asked for. Actually he didn't. Over 30 times on his answers to Mueller's questions he responding with one of several versions of "I don't remember!"

Both Clinton and Nixon used executive privelige multiple times when they were investigated. I voted for Trump because I could not vote for his oponent as she was a proven felon. And woukd have been a flat out disaster as president.

And to date the countrys economy is far better off as a result of Trump's presidency, and that is more important to me than anything else. There is a big difference between your investments being up over 30%, and the actual economy.

trump's trade wars are wreaking havoc with any manufacturer who imports any parts or raw stock to build their end products. One item that I used to buy was $2.50 before the trade wars hit it. Now that very same item costs $25.00. I can't pass on that kind of a spike in cost to my buyers, so I've had to temporarily purchase a less expensive substitute, which will also go up once that supply has to be replaced.

Gasoline has gone up over $0.23 a gallon in the past 3.5 weeks.

My investments are up over 30% since Trump took office.

Unemployment is at a low, Try telling those who were recently let go from jobs that they're losing 4 weeks of potential benefits, when those benefits run out after 26 weeks instead of after 30 weeks. Yes unemployment might be at an all time low, but those skilled workers with years of knowledge and experience are finding that employers aren't willing to pay for that knowledge and experience. They're looking to fill their openings with apprentices or entry level employees. They're NOT reinvesting their TAX BREAKS back into their businesses.

GDP is up. Trade deficits have spiked!

If this continues Trump is a gurantee for re-election. That's not likely to happen with all of the investigations going on, especially in the House, at SDNY, and the State of New York!

New York doesn't have to wait for trump to leave office before bringing him to trial!

trump CAN'T win reelection with only 38% of the voters (his base) voting for him!

He's never been higher than a 47% possitive rating in the polls, and that was at the 2 week mark after he took the Oath of Office. He's only around 43% right now.

First. Trump did not order any one on his staff to... (show quote)

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Try reading the full report. https://www.justice.g... (show quote)

You make it sound so simple. If all you and yours say is true then why didn't Mueller file charges or request charges from the AG? Thinking about doing something wrong or even asking someone else to do something wrong is not a crime in any sense of the word provided nothing was done. If I ask you to rob a bank is that a crime if you never rob a bank? NO it is not.

Can you Liberals ever get over yourselves or are you just pushing the Trump is wrong narrative only in an attempt to show come election time that Trump is a criminal who should be impeached or in prison so your party candidate, who has nothing to offer America, will be considered?

Seriously what does your party offer to America? We all want to know.

Dennis