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Apr 20, 2019 12:28:43   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
You are sure in your own dreamland of a trumpvana (trump nervana).

Try as the Right wingers and trump worshipers might, the Mueller Report did NOT end the investigations into trump's wrongdoings, or his coordination with Putin and Russia.

By his own admission, trump is "F____'d!"

Because of the Mueller Report, trump has lost face to all but his most ardent supporters.

The sheer volume of lies that have come out of the trump administration are in plain sight in the Mueller Report.

Every time that he uttered the phrase "F**e Media", he was lying!
You are sure in your own dreamland of a trumpvana ... (show quote)


My friend your theory that Trump has lost face is nothing but a dream of the Left. Au contraire Trump has lost nothing and it is you Left Wingers who have lost any semblance of common sense.

The Mueller investigation was touted by you Left Wingers here for close to two years. Perhaps you will recall those thrilling days of yesteryear when Lefties like dirtpusher, SS and Twardlow ranted almost every day that Trump's days were on the downside, he was going to be impeached or imprisoned, certainly one or both. dirt especially posted a link almost every day showing somebody in the Trump administration had done something wrong and was surely about to go to prison. But in all of that Left Wing claptrap there was absolutely nothing incriminating about Trump being in cahoots with the Russians. That would be as in NOTHING at all. Yet you Little Lefties STILL swear that Trump is going down. Elizabeth Warren, almost as good a liar as Hillary is now saying Trump will be impeached. Maxine Waters, almost as dumb as AOC is also saying Trump will be impeached. Yet, as you Lefties have always told us about Hillary, where is the evidence. So I ask you, where is the evidence?

Certainly you all talk tough about Trump going down but you have absolutely nothing to show for two years of the Mueller investigation. The only reason you are still pushing your dumb narrative is because you want to show Trump as a bad choice in the upcoming e******n. Is that all you got?

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2019 12:39:54   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You make it sound so simple. If all you and yours say is true then why didn't Mueller file charges or request charges from the AG? Thinking about doing something wrong or even asking someone else to do something wrong is not a crime in any sense of the word provided nothing was done. If I ask you to rob a bank is that a crime if you never rob a bank? NO it is not.

Can you Liberals ever get over yourselves or are you just pushing the Trump is wrong narrative only in an attempt to show come e******n time that Trump is a criminal who should be impeached or in prison so your party candidate, who has nothing to offer America, will be considered?

Seriously what does your party offer to America? We all want to know.

Dennis
You make it sound so simple. If all you and yours... (show quote)

Mueller had his hands tied by the DOJ Policy that "a sitting president can't be indicted". Therefore he couldn't "file charges".

With Obstruction of Justice, a crime DOESN'T have to be committed for there to be Obstruction.

So just asking a subordinate or acquaintance to do something for you that's "wrong", goes against our laws, or is unethical, such as firing someone that you want to get rid of because they're investigating you or someone in your administration for contacts with a foreign adversary IS Obstruction of Justice.

It's you who and all right wingers who need to get over their trump is holier than thou attitudes. trump can't walk on water, he is fallible, and he's made a whole lot if mistakes in his life! His choice to run for office in July of 2015 was one of his biggest mistakes, because it's opened him up to the kind of legal and financial scrutiny that he's tried to avoid all of his life.

Karna's a Bi_ _h, and it's coming back to haunt trump!

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Apr 20, 2019 12:43:17   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Frank is losing because at heart he is a LOSER. Nothing he will ever do or say can possibly change that.

Sucks to be Frank.

Dennis


I hear your dad was a loser too. But here you are.

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Apr 20, 2019 13:02:33   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My friend your theory that Trump has lost face is nothing but a dream of the Left. Au contraire Trump has lost nothing and it is you Left Wingers who have lost any semblance of common sense.

The Mueller investigation was touted by you Left Wingers here for close to two years. Perhaps you will recall those thrilling days of yesteryear when Lefties like dirtpusher, SS and Twardlow ranted almost every day that Trump's days were on the downside, he was going to be impeached or imprisoned, certainly one or both. dirt especially posted a link almost every day showing somebody in the Trump administration had done something wrong and was surely about to go to prison. But in all of that Left Wing claptrap there was absolutely nothing incriminating about Trump being in cahoots with the Russians. That would be as in NOTHING at all. Yet you Little Lefties STILL swear that Trump is going down. Elizabeth Warren, almost as good a liar as Hillary is now saying Trump will be impeached. Maxine Waters, almost as dumb as AOC is also saying Trump will be impeached. Yet, as you Lefties have always told us about Hillary, where is the evidence. So I ask you, where is the evidence?

Certainly you all talk tough about Trump going down but you have absolutely nothing to show for two years of the Mueller investigation. The only reason you are still pushing your dumb narrative is because you want to show Trump as a bad choice in the upcoming e******n. Is that all you got?

Dennis
My friend your theory that Trump has lost face is ... (show quote)

Let me correct you on one thing.

Senator Warren said that trump "should" be impeached, not will be impeached.

There is a big did defence between the word "will", and the word "should".

Yes a thorough investigation by the various House committees needs to be completed, and their findings and evidence need to be presented to the full House.

Mueller's Investigation was limited in scope but it has paved a path for the House to follow going forward to gather information towards an Impeachment.

Once trump is out of office BY January 20, 2021, then new laws will need to be written to prevent another trump like presidency from ever getting to the point where a special prosecutor needs to be brought in to investigate foreign e******n i**********e in any US E******n, or the potential for a president to act in his own business interests, instead of in the best interests of the v**ers of our country.

If trump fails to act to protect the 2020 e******ns from all foreign interference, then trump will be complicit in any damages to our e******ns.

But then again, the campaigner in chief wants that to happen, he wants any and all help that he can get from Russia, because it's the only possible way that he can get reelected!

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Apr 20, 2019 13:16:22   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Mueller had his hands tied by the DOJ Policy that "a sitting president can't be indicted". Therefore he couldn't "file charges".

With Obstruction of Justice, a crime DOESN'T have to be committed for there to be Obstruction.

So just asking a subordinate or acquaintance to do something for you that's "wrong", goes against our laws, or is unethical, such as firing someone that you want to get rid of because they're investigating you or someone in your administration for contacts with a foreign adversary IS Obstruction of Justice.

It's you who and all right wingers who need to get over their trump is holier than thou attitudes. trump can't walk on water, he is fallible, and he's made a whole lot if mistakes in his life! His choice to run for office in July of 2015 was one of his biggest mistakes, because it's opened him up to the kind of legal and financial scrutiny that he's tried to avoid all of his life.

Karna's a Bi_ _h, and it's coming back to haunt trump!
Mueller had his hands tied by the DOJ Policy that ... (show quote)


You sound just like dirt and SS with your threats of Trump is going down. Let's wait and see shall we. In America we go on PROOF of wrongdoing. You on the Left continue to tell us the Russians hacked into our system, that Trump was part of it and so on.

So if that is all true then why isn't some of the blame put onto Obama who stood right there on a television screen telling us that it was impossible for the Russians to interfere with our v****g system all the while telling us that the Russians had tried. Why in hell didn't Obama do something if he knew (and he said he did) the Russians were in our system? I don't recall how many times I have asked that question right here and so far have received no answer at all. This all fell on Obama's watch. He should have been blamed for the Russian hacking yet it seems to all fall on President Trump now. WTF is that all about.

I will be right here waiting for an answer.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2019 13:20:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
I hear your dad was a loser too. But here you are.


Frank is that really all you got, Really?

And to think some people have this idea you don't disappoint. When it comes to having a good reply they are correct. You seldom have any worthwhile reply at all.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2019 13:34:20   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Let me correct you on one thing.

Senator Warren said that trump "should" be impeached, not will be impeached.

There is a big did defence between the word "will", and the word "should".

Yes a thorough investigation by the various House committees needs to be completed, and their findings and evidence need to be presented to the full House.

Mueller's Investigation was limited in scope but it has paved a path for the House to follow going forward to gather information towards an Impeachment.

Once trump is out of office BY January 20, 2021, then new laws will need to be written to prevent another trump like presidency from ever getting to the point where a special prosecutor needs to be brought in to investigate foreign e******n i**********e in any US E******n, or the potential for a president to act in his own business interests, instead of in the best interests of the v**ers of our country.

If trump fails to act to protect the 2020 e******ns from all foreign interference, then trump will be complicit in any damages to our e******ns.

But then again, the campaigner in chief wants that to happen, he wants any and all help that he can get from Russia, because it's the only possible way that he can get reelected!
Let me correct you on one thing. br br Senator Wa... (show quote)


As I often ask, is that all you got? OK so Warren said, Trump should be impeached. Correction noted. But why would she even say that if she has absolutely no evidence that would sustain such a statement? It is nothing but trying to jin up the Democratic base with absolutely not one shred of EVIDENCE to go along with it. Hell, you on the Left have been saying Trump should/will be impeached since the day of his inauguration with absolutely no evidence except that he beat your Queen Hillary in the e******n. You have spent two years beating the drum that the Mueller investigation will save you all, Trump will be going down, he is a criminal, corrupt, his entire family will be in prison and so on. Not one Trump family member has been spared. Even Trump's son, Jared, has been attacked by the Left. What was Jared at the time, 10-11 years old. I even heard he once s**t his pants when he was two years old. Damn, if that isn't evidence of some dire wrong doing in the Trump family.

The Left has nothing these days to offer America except anti American antics. The Left supports i*****l a***ns coming across the border. The Left supports the anti Semite rhetoric coming from the two new Muslims and AOC. The Left not only supports Roe Vs Wade as it always has but has reinvigorated the a******n rhetoric to include k*****g babies AFTER they are born. The Left is supporting giving freebies such as medical benefits and free college to i*****l a***ns while v****g against benefits for our veterans and homeless. Yes, that is what the Left is doing these days. Please do your best to show us how any of this is going to make America a better nation.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2019 13:54:30   #
Old Coot
 
So thinking about doing something or saying you want to do something is now a crime ?

If so there are a lot of guilty people out there.

Remember. "He who is without sin should cast the first stone."

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Apr 20, 2019 13:58:38   #
Old Coot
 
If the Mueller report had found any actual obstruction it would have said so.
If not supported by the facts then it is pure speculation.
Surely after 2 years and who knows how much it cost. If there was an indictable offense then Trump would have been indicted.
Wishful thinking does'nt make it so

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Apr 20, 2019 14:07:07   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
tfgone wrote:
If the Mueller report had found any actual obstruction it would have said so.
If not supported by the facts then it is pure speculation.
Surely after 2 years and who knows how much it cost. If there was an indictable offense then Trump would have been indicted.
Wishful thinking does'nt make it so


You are speaking in terms of Common Sense. Liberals don't think like that. They would rather America rot than accept the FACT that Trump did nothing wrong. They did not/do not like him or the fact that he beat Hillary. Nothing will sway them from their self appointed task of defeating him somehow no matter how minor that win for them might be.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2019 15:12:15   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
tfgone wrote:
If the Mueller report had found any actual obstruction it would have said so.
If not supported by the facts then it is pure speculation.
Surely after 2 years and who knows how much it cost. If there was an indictable offense then Trump would have been indicted.
Wishful thinking does'nt make it so

Of the 11 instances that Mueller has noted as Obstruction in his report, 5 of those are actionable by congress.

Mueller could not issue an indictment to trump BECAUSE of the long standing "Policy" prohibiting charging a sitting President.

How many times do you right wingers have to be reminded about that "Policy" dating back to Nixon, and Spiro T. Agnew?

They needed to get Agnew out of office because of his Tax Evasion BEFORE they went after Nixon for the Watergate break in and the secret tapes that he had hidden from prosecutors.

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Apr 20, 2019 15:26:23   #
EyeSawYou
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Of the 11 instances that Mueller has noted as Obstruction in his report, 5 of those are actionable by congress.

Mueller could not issue an indictment to trump BECAUSE of the long standing "Policy" prohibiting charging a sitting President.

How many times do you right wingers have to be reminded about that "Policy" dating back to Nixon, and Spiro T. Agnew?

They needed to get Agnew out of office because of his Tax Evasion BEFORE they went after Nixon for the Watergate break in and the secret tapes that he had hidden from prosecutors.
Of the 11 instances that Mueller has noted as Obst... (show quote)


Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice, he was then "exonerated" by the Senate, same will happen with Trump if impeached. Waste of time back then and waste of time now.

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Apr 20, 2019 16:43:09   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Frank T wrote:
Hey, even miscreants need leadership abilities to succeed.
Look at Atila The Hun, there was a miserable, dishonest, miscreant but at least people followed him when he asked them to burn and pillage, they marched with him.
Trump, on the other hand, can't get loyalty from a hound dog with a pocket full of hotdogs.




He is still your President who makes you mad as hell with the Barr report.

Love to see them with their undies full of it.



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Apr 20, 2019 17:20:04   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You sound just like dirt and SS with your threats of Trump is going down. Let's wait and see shall we. In America we go on PROOF of wrongdoing. You on the Left continue to tell us the Russians hacked into our system, that Trump was part of it and so on.

So if that is all true then why isn't some of the blame put onto Obama who stood right there on a television screen telling us that it was impossible for the Russians to interfere with our v****g system all the while telling us that the Russians had tried. Why in hell didn't Obama do something if he knew (and he said he did) the Russians were in our system? I don't recall how many times I have asked that question right here and so far have received no answer at all. This all fell on Obama's watch. He should have been blamed for the Russian hacking yet it seems to all fall on President Trump now. WTF is that all about.

I will be right here waiting for an answer.

Dennis
You sound just like dirt and SS with your threats ... (show quote)

President Obama's watch ended at noon on January 20, 2017.

The trump campaign committee sought out e******n i**********e from Russia.

trump is now the president, and he's doing absolutely NOTHING about the Russians hacking our e******ns.

WHY?

I'll give you a hint, he wants and needs all the help that he can get from Russia if he has any hope of winning ree******n.

They were at in in 2018, and they've already been spotted working on the 2020 e******ns.

trump is doing NOTHING to combat the Russian Propaganda that's already invading Social Media in advance of the 2020 E******ns.

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Apr 20, 2019 17:31:00   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
President Obama's watch ended at noon on January 20, 2017.

The trump campaign committee sought out e******n i**********e from Russia.

trump is now the president, and he's doing absolutely NOTHING about the Russians hacking our e******ns.

WHY?

I'll give you a hint, he wants and needs all the help that he can get from Russia if he has any hope of winning ree******n.

They were at in in 2018, and they've already been spotted working on the 2020 e******ns.

trump is doing NOTHING to combat the Russian Propaganda that's already invading Social Media in advance of the 2020 E******ns.
President Obama's watch ended at noon on January 2... (show quote)




Nice wet dreams...again?

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