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Trump failed at obstruction because his aides refused to carry out orders, Mueller finds
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Apr 19, 2019 11:00:24   #
BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky
 
"Had President Donald Trump been left to his own devices, the findings in special counsel Robert Mueller's report released Thursday would have likely been far more damning for him.

Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.""

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071

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Apr 19, 2019 11:10:59   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Hey, even miscreants need leadership abilities to succeed.
Look at Atila The Hun, there was a miserable, dishonest, miscreant but at least people followed him when he asked them to burn and pillage, they marched with him.
Trump, on the other hand, can't get loyalty from a hound dog with a pocket full of hotdogs.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:12:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
BigWahoo wrote:
"Had President Donald Trump been left to his own devices, the findings in special counsel Robert Mueller's report released Thursday would have likely been far more damning for him.

Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" — but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.""

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-trump-failed-obstruct-because-his-aides-refused-carry-out-n996071
"Had President Donald Trump been left to his ... (show quote)


Glad that at least one dem here is willing to admit that there was no obstruction.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:13:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Frank T wrote:
Hey, even miscreants need leadership abilities to succeed.
Look at Atila The Hun, there was a miserable, dishonest, miscreant but at least people followed him when he asked them to burn and pillage, they marched with him.
Trump, on the other hand, can't get loyalty from a hound dog with a pocket full of hotdogs.


Pobrecito, you are still losing.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:52:20   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Pobrecito, you are still losing.


Not really,
I'm having a pretty good day. Trump is pulling out what's left of his hair and his great day yesterday has degraded into a s**tstorm today.
Remember, It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:57:28   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Frank T wrote:
Not really,
I'm having a pretty good day. Trump is pulling out what's left of his hair and his great day yesterday has degraded into a s**tstorm today.
Remember, It ain't over til the fat lady sings.


Trump's out golfing, having a blast laughing at you fools.... Frank, you are so easily fed garbage, it would seem that you would be a bit contrite after the last few days, but you guys are suckers for your media and political hacks that will eventually lead you to slaughter... keep it up and 2020 will be a breeze.

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Apr 19, 2019 12:01:41   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Glad that at least one dem here is willing to admit that there was no obstruction.

Try reading the full report. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

There are 11 instances where trump Obstructed Justice, or instructed his subordinates to Obstruct Justice.

I'll give you a clue, Volume II of II starts on Page 208 of the file. Volume II deals with the Obstruction of Justice investigation.

The Obstruction of Justice Case will be taken up by the House, because the Senate is currently controlled by the kowtowing, cowardly GOP. They'll get their just due on E******n Day in 2020, if they're not indicted by the investigation in the House before then.

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Apr 19, 2019 12:14:19   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Try reading the full report. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

There are 11 instances where trump Obstructed Justice, or instructed his subordinates to Obstruct Justice.

I'll give you a clue, Volume II of II starts on Page 208 of the file. Volume II deals with the Obstruction of Justice investigation.

The Obstruction of Justice Case will be taken up by the House, because the Senate is currently controlled by the kowtowing, cowardly GOP. They'll get their just due on E******n Day in 2020, if they're not indicted by the investigation in the House before then.
Try reading the full report. https://www.justice.g... (show quote)


Dream on...

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Apr 19, 2019 17:15:33   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Dream on...

You are sure in your own dreamland of a trumpvana (trump nervana).

Try as the Right wingers and trump worshipers might, the Mueller Report did NOT end the investigations into trump's wrongdoings, or his coordination with Putin and Russia.

By his own admission, trump is "F____'d!"

Because of the Mueller Report, trump has lost face to all but his most ardent supporters.

The sheer volume of lies that have come out of the trump administration are in plain sight in the Mueller Report.

Every time that he uttered the phrase "F**e Media", he was lying!

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Apr 19, 2019 17:33:05   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Thats exactly what advisors are supposed to do. When the boss gives bad advice it is their duty to change his mind, by wh**ever it takes. And if the boss follows that advic e NO OBSTRUCTION has ocured. Example- you want to k**l your wife- so you ask your best friend how to do it. He tells you not to do it. You foillow his advice. NO CRIME has been commited

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Apr 19, 2019 17:38:25   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
You are sure in your own dreamland of a trumpvana (trump nervana).

Try as the Right wingers and trump worshipers might, the Mueller Report did NOT end the investigations into trump's wrongdoings, or his coordination with Putin and Russia.

By his own admission, trump is "F____'d!"

Because of the Mueller Report, trump has lost face to all but his most ardent supporters.

The sheer volume of lies that have come out of the trump administration are in plain sight in the Mueller Report.

Every time that he uttered the phrase "F**e Media", he was lying!
You are sure in your own dreamland of a trumpvana ... (show quote)


Apparently had you read further and in full context the "I'm F___'d!" quote was his concern about implementing his agenda. The Mueller report clearly makes the case that there was no collusion, you guys lose, game over but you and your media will continue to try and relitigate it until you somehow miraculously come to some other alternative.

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Apr 19, 2019 17:46:53   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Apparently had you read further and in full context the "I'm F___'d!" quote was his concern about implementing his agenda. The Mueller report clearly makes the case that there was no collusion, you guys lose, game over but you and your media will continue to try and relitigate it until you somehow miraculously come to some other alternative.

How do you get from "I'm f____'d" and trump uttering "f**e news" to your argument of "no collusion"?

You're as scatter brained as trump is now a days!

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Apr 19, 2019 17:49:40   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
How do you get from "I'm f____'d" and trump uttering "f**e news" to your argument of "no collusion"?

You're as scatter brained as trump is now a days!


What I said was perfectly clear, you are still whining even more loudly than usual. Trump is your president and will be your president, learn to live with it.

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Apr 19, 2019 17:50:43   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Try reading the full report. https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

There are 11 instances where trump Obstructed Justice, or instructed his subordinates to Obstruct Justice.

I'll give you a clue, Volume II of II starts on Page 208 of the file. Volume II deals with the Obstruction of Justice investigation.

The Obstruction of Justice Case will be taken up by the House, because the Senate is currently controlled by the kowtowing, cowardly GOP. They'll get their just due on E******n Day in 2020, if they're not indicted by the investigation in the House before then.
Try reading the full report. https://www.justice.g... (show quote)


Actually found a searchable pdf of the report, on my desktop.

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Apr 19, 2019 17:55:27   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
How do you get from "I'm f____'d" and trump uttering "f**e news" to your argument of "no collusion"?

You're as scatter brained as trump is now a days!


A direct quote from the Mueller report in the very same conversation where Trump declares he is f'd…..


"“Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins
your presidency. It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst
thing that ever happened to me.”

So it goes something like...... I'm F****d, Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.”

Here is the full paragraph from the Mueller report.....

"On May 17, 2017, Acting Attorney General Rosenstein appointed Robert S. Mueller, IIT as
Special Counsel and authorized him to conduct the Russia investigation and matters that arose
from the investigation.°! The President learned of the Special Counsel’s appointment from
Sessions, who was with the President, Hunt, and McGahn conducting interviews for a new FBI
Director. Sessions stepped out of the Oval Office to take a call from Rosenstein, who told him
about the Special Counsel appointment, and Sessions then returned to inform the Presidentof the
news.°? According to notes written by Hunt, when Sessions told the President that a Special
Counsel had been appointed, the President slumped back in his chair and said, “Oh my God. This
is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked.”°** The President became angry and
lambasted the Attorney General for his decision to recuse from the investigation, stating, “How
could you let this happen, Jeff”°> The President said the position of Attorney General was his
most important appointment and that Sessions had “let [him] down,” contrasting him to Eric
Holder and Robert Kennedy.°°° Sessions recalled that the President said to him, “you were
supposed to protect me,” or words to that effect.°°’ The President returned to the consequences of
the appointment and said, “Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins
your presidency. It takes years and years and I won’t be able to do anything. This is the worst
thing that ever happened to me.”

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