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Mar 27, 2019 16:05:23   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Every country has the problem of immigrants, legal or illegal, taking jobs and tax dollars from the citizens of the country. It is a world-wide problem that needs a modern solution, not a wall.

The statistics of where people and drugs are entering your country illegally do not support the notion of a wall across the entire southern border, which is what Trump has been suggesting. Had he been forthright from the beginning with the notion of better immigration laws, enhanced detection systems, and a bit of extra fortification of barriers where they make sense, then I think there would have been much less fuss and hassle moving forward. He stirred the crowd with the idea of a 30 foot high 2000 mile long big beautiful concrete wall for which Mexico would be happy to write a check (cheque in Canada), and now he has to eat crow on that plan (hmmm, eating crow sounds like a familiar refrain in this thread). The barrier will not be 30 feet high, it will not be solid concrete, and it will not be 2000 miles long, and y'all are paying for it yourselves. Methinks Trump exaggerates a bit too much, but I guess that's another of his personality traits that appeals to so many repubs.
Every country has the problem of immigrants, legal... (show quote)


John, why don't you let us worry about our country and how we do things. We are not a socialist nation like you guys, you don't enjoy the freedoms citizens of the US enjoy. You know socialism and we do not want to have that. I see NO ONE on here disparaging your PM, but for some reason you canadians think we want/need/value a socialist opinion and you can disparage our President. You can think what you want, but the bottom line is this is not your country. When you start insulting our leaders and citizens, you are no better than Krackhead, another wanna be American.

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Mar 27, 2019 16:13:32   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Of course I know that you use the electoral college system. I know that because I am smart.

Now, do you know why you use that system?

Do you know that the original purpose was to ensure that the people who cast votes were "able" persons? Apparently the Fathers of Confederation didn't think "the people" were capable of good judgement. Do you think that rationale still applies today? Do you accept that you don't get to vote for the President directly because you are not smart enough? Are you comfortable with the fact that despite a population of 330 million your president is actually elected by only 538 ballots? Do you know that the electoral college voters generally vote according to the popular vote, but they are not required to do so in some states? Do you know that the 538 ballots to elect Trump were actually cast on 19 Dec 2016, so technically he was NOT elected on 8 Nov 2016 (dang... those 538 "smart" guys had almost 6 weeks to change their minds... what a missed opportunity!!!)? In fact, the electoral college ballots were only counted on 6 Jan 2017, so he was not assured of his presidency until then.

If this is all new to you, Timothy, then maybe you should eat some beaver. That's what we do in Canada, and it makes us smart enough to make each citizen's vote count equally.
Of course I know that you use the electoral colleg... (show quote)


By the way, you are technically full of crap. We all knew that Trump was elected on November 6th, even if canadians were no smart enough to know that. It is a formality that the electoral votes are counted before congress, nothing more. Read below and learn something.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/07/why-do-we-have-an-electoral-college/93440438/

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Mar 27, 2019 16:55:04   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
John, why don't you let us worry about our country and how we do things. We are not a socialist nation like you guys, you don't enjoy the freedoms citizens of the US enjoy. You know socialism and we do not want to have that. I see NO ONE on here disparaging your PM, but for some reason you canadians think we want/need/value a socialist opinion and you can disparage our President. You can think what you want, but the bottom line is this is not your country. When you start insulting our leaders and citizens, you are no better than Krackhead, another wanna be American.
John, why don't you let us worry about our country... (show quote)

As I said, what you do in your country affects me more than how what we do in Canada might affect you; hence, my strong interest in following US politics rather than Canadian politics.

I don't think we have fewer freedoms than you do in the US, and certainly not because we have a great health care system. I probably have socialist leanings in some respects (e.g., I believe there should be government oversight -- but not necessarily ownership or control -- to regulate costs and quality of service over essentials like gasoline, natural gas, water, electricity, and now phone/cable/internet services), but I don't consider Canada a socialist country in the classical sense.

As for insulting national leaders, that is one of the freedoms we enjoy in our free democracies (don't try that in Russia, DPRK, China, Algeria, and many other places). But I think the reason you don't see disparagement of our PM on UHH is because there is no reason to do so -- he is a decent human being with the comportment expected of a national figurehead. I, many of your American compatriots, and even people of other nations criticize Trump not because of his policies, but rather because his character and personality are so unsuited for the job. As I am writing this I am listening to him on the TV, and I can't take anything he says seriously and sincerely. He speaks the words that are written for him in boring monotone and without feeling. In contrast, when he goes off script he gets quite excited and invigorated; but then he repeats himself over and over, saying the same nothings, gawking at the crowd with that despicable smirk and fishing for acknowledgement and praise.

The US is a great and beautiful country (I have travelled to over 90 countries), the people are great, the standard of living/amenities/services are excellent, and I could easily live there comfortably. It really is a shame that Trump is the person he is. As I disparage him I concomitantly feel sympathy for the Americans who feel as I do about him and have to live with him as their president. I have met many (democratic) Americans in my travels, and I am always surprised at how apologetic they are about having Trump in the White House.

Anyway, I think we have exhausted our feelings. Thanks for the civil exchanges. I wish you luck over the next 2, or maybe 6, years and better times thereafter. I hope the next president can pick up the pieces and Make America Great Again.

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Mar 27, 2019 16:59:50   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Hillary lost the election because of the way your electoral college system is set up. The popular vote results were as follows:
Trump -- 62,979,636
Clinton -- 65,844,610
Other -- 7,804,213
This means that, according to popular vote 73,648,823 people did NOT vote for Trump. He only got 46% of the popular vote.

And there is some doubt that the election was "fair". Yes, there was no foul play found in the election process, but you will never know how much the Russian meddling interfered with the election in favour of Trump.
Hillary lost the election because of the way your ... (show quote)


The electoral college is the way we choose our president. No other method matters. The only doubt that the election was "fair" is from left-wing wackos such as yourself.

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Mar 27, 2019 17:01:14   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
JohnFrim wrote:
As I said, what you do in your country affects me more than how what we do in Canada might affect you; hence, my strong interest in following US politics rather than Canadian politics.

I don't think we have fewer freedoms than you do in the US, and certainly not because we have a great health care system. I probably have socialist leanings in some respects (e.g., I believe there should be government oversight -- but not necessarily ownership or control -- to regulate costs and quality of service over essentials like gasoline, natural gas, water, electricity, and now phone/cable/internet services), but I don't consider Canada a socialist country in the classical sense.

As for insulting national leaders, that is one of the freedoms we enjoy in our free democracies (don't try that in Russia, DPRK, China, Algeria, and many other places). But I think the reason you don't see disparagement of our PM on UHH is because there is no reason to do so -- he is a decent human being with the comportment expected of a national figurehead. I, many of your American compatriots, and even people of other nations criticize Trump not because of his policies, but rather because his character and personality are so unsuited for the job. As I am writing this I am listening to him on the TV, and I can't take anything he says seriously and sincerely. He speaks the words that are written for him in boring monotone and without feeling. In contrast, when he goes off script he gets quite excited and invigorated; but then he repeats himself over and over, saying the same nothings, gawking at the crowd with that despicable smirk and fishing for acknowledgement and praise.

The US is a great and beautiful country (I have travelled to over 90 countries), the people are great, the standard of living/amenities/services are excellent, and I could easily live there comfortably. It really is a shame that Trump is the person he is. As I disparage him I concomitantly feel sympathy for the Americans who feel as I do about him and have to live with him as their president. I have met many (democratic) Americans in my travels, and I am always surprised at how apologetic they are about having Trump in the White House.

Anyway, I think we have exhausted our feelings. Thanks for the civil exchanges. I wish you luck over the next 2, or maybe 6, years and better times thereafter. I hope the next president can pick up the pieces and Make America Great Again.
As I said, what you do in your country affects me ... (show quote)


The way you feel about Trump, we felt that magnified by 10 about obummer. obummer could talk pretty but he was a lying snake in the grass.

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Mar 27, 2019 17:06:18   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
By the way, you are technically full of crap. We all knew that Trump was elected on November 6th, even if canadians were no smart enough to know that. It is a formality that the electoral votes are counted before congress, nothing more. Read below and learn something.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/07/why-do-we-have-an-electoral-college/93440438/


Thank you for that link. It says "The electors meet in their respective states 41 days after the popular election. There, they cast a ballot for president and a second for vice president. A candidate must receive a majority of electoral votes to be elected president."

Since it IS possible for the elector to break from tradition and change his/her vote, there IS a possibility that the outcome of the vote in December is NOT the same as the popular vote in November. As stated in the article, this rarely happens. But TECHNICALLY, Trump was NOT ELECTED until the EC ballots were cast on 19 Dec.

And I thought you were respectable and able to read...

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Mar 27, 2019 17:21:39   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
papakatz45 wrote:
The electoral college is the way we choose our president. No other method matters. The only doubt that the election was "fair" is from left-wing wackos such as yourself.


Your method of choosing a president CAN be changed if the nation so desires. All it takes is yet another amendment to the constitution. [On the topic of amendments, I find it ironic that the gun enthusiasts use an "amendment" to claim a "God-given right to bear arms". There is nothing that says the US can't come to their senses and revoke the 2nd amendment with yet another amendment to arrive at sensible gun control.]

But back to the EC, the article referenced earlier by Elaine2025 contains a link to another article titled "Trump called Electoral College a 'disaster' in 2012 tweet". This is typical for Trump; if it suits his purposes then it is good; if not, it is bad; and I guess because Obama won in 2012 the EC was a 'disaster'. Similarly, he was all prepared to call the 2016 election "rigged" if he lost, but I guess it was not rigged because he won. Maybe, just maybe, the 2016 election WAS rigged... by the Russians... to ensure his win. Further, when Mueller was appointed he was great; then he and his 13 angry democrats were conflicted; now Mueller is described as being honourable because Trump feels he was TOTALLY EXONERATED by the report... which he has not yet seen... and from which Barr quoted a statement that says Trump was NOT exonerated.

What a joke!!!! What a fiasco!!! What a shame!!!!!!!!!

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Mar 27, 2019 17:31:02   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Your method of choosing a president CAN be changed if the nation so desires. All it takes is yet another amendment to the constitution. [On the topic of amendments, I find it ironic that the gun enthusiasts use an "amendment" to claim a "God-given right to bear arms". There is nothing that says the US can't come to their senses and revoke the 2nd amendment with yet another amendment to arrive at sensible gun control.]

But back to the EC, the article referenced earlier by Elaine2025 contains a link to another article titled "Trump called Electoral College a 'disaster' in 2012 tweet". This is typical for Trump; if it suits his purposes then it is good; if not, it is bad; and I guess because Obama won in 2012 the EC was a 'disaster'. Similarly, he was all prepared to call the 2016 election "rigged" if he lost, but I guess it was not rigged because he won. Maybe, just maybe, the 2016 election WAS rigged... by the Russians... to ensure his win. Further, when Mueller was appointed he was great; then he and his 13 angry democrats were conflicted; now Mueller is described as being honourable because Trump feels he was TOTALLY EXONERATED by the report... which he has not yet seen... and from which Barr quoted a statement that says Trump was NOT exonerated.

What a joke!!!! What a fiasco!!! What a shame!!!!!!!!!
Your method of choosing a president CAN be changed... (show quote)


As I said, the only thing that matters is the current lawful method we use to chose our president. The rest of your last post is irrelevant.

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Mar 27, 2019 18:05:30   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
papakatz45 wrote:
As I said, the only thing that matters is the current lawful method we use to chose our president. The rest of your last post is irrelevant.

It is only irrelevant because, like most of the castrated republican ostriches, you have no balls to stand up to the bully and choose to bury your head in the sand.

What is your rebuttal to the rest of my "irrelevant" comments that you have chosen to ignore? I don't really expect an answer because this is the way of your ilk -- accolades only to Trump; never an admonishment for inappropriate behaviours. Just overlook the buffoonery, the contradictions, the lies and kiss his butt -- like your God-fearing VP hypocrite. How can anyone do that with a clear conscience????? This man is NOT WORTHY of the highest office in the land!!!!!

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Mar 27, 2019 18:53:32   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
JohnFrim wrote:
It is only irrelevant because, like most of the castrated republican ostriches, you have no balls to stand up to the bully and choose to bury your head in the sand.

What is your rebuttal to the rest of my "irrelevant" comments that you have chosen to ignore? I don't really expect an answer because this is the way of your ilk -- accolades only to Trump; never an admonishment for inappropriate behaviours. Just overlook the buffoonery, the contradictions, the lies and kiss his butt -- like your God-fearing VP hypocrite. How can anyone do that with a clear conscience????? This man is NOT WORTHY of the highest office in the land!!!!!
It is only irrelevant because, like most of the ca... (show quote)


You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I find it interesting you have now resorted to playing in the mud with the name calling and such. That seems to be a common trait with extreme far-left liberals. But keep it up, it is interesting to see just how low in the gutter you will go to try to defend your point.

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Mar 27, 2019 19:03:46   #
wooden_ships
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
British journalist and television personality Piers Morgan blasted the “Russia collusion hoax” as a “disgraceful fake news witch-hunt” by President Donald Trump’s enemies that very well could end up ensuring his re-election in 2020.

In a fiery column published Monday on DailyMail.com, Morgan criticized Trump’s enemies for propagating an “obsessively unrelenting campaign” to bring down the president by essentially accusing him of the worst thing possible: betraying his own country.

“Today, he stands completely vindicated,” Morgan wrote, citing the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s “long-awaited report” that “sensationally cleared Trump of any collusion.”

While acknowledging that Trump is “jubilant,” Morgan turned his focus to the president’s enemies:

[M]y overwhelming feeling today is one of fury that [Trump] had to endure such a disgraceful, deceitful and concerted attack on his presidency based on nothing but a fervent desire to destroy him and his family.

Make no mistake, this was a ‘Get Trump’ mission driven by a collection of people who just couldn’t stomach the thought that he won the White House.

The Democrats, led by the demented Adam Schiff, screamed ‘COLLUSION!’ so often I’m amazed their larynxes didn’t explode.

But at least they had an obvious political motive for wanting Trump gone.

What is far worse is the way so many mainstream US media networks, newspapers and individual journalists fuelled the fake frenzy.

They let all the normal rules of balanced reporting fly out the window as they competed with each other over who could land the biggest Pulitzer prize-winning Trump/Russia sucker punch that would KO the President they loathe.

Only it turned out they were all punching thin air.

Morgan’s lengthy piece breaks down every aspect of the collusion hoax and the media’s role in it before concluding with a silver lining for Trump, who can now declare: “I delivered on defeating ISIS, I delivered on the economy – and I crushed the fake news attempt to destroy me on Russia collusion.”

“It’s a powerful vote-winning cocktail,” Morgan concluded. “I tweeted last year that my bet was Mueller would find no collusion. Today, I bet that Trump, if nothing serious emerges in any other investigation, will now be re-elected President – and his enemies will have only themselves to blame.”

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/piers-morgan-collusion-hoax-trump-2020/
British journalist and television personality Pier... (show quote)


Maybe trump will get the most votes this time... then again, maybe not... which of course would then be a case of voter fraud.

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Mar 27, 2019 20:00:03   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
papakatz45 wrote:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I find it interesting you have now resorted to playing in the mud with the name calling and such. That seems to be a common trait with extreme far-left liberals. But keep it up, it is interesting to see just how low in the gutter you will go to try to defend your point.

Yes, sometimes one has to stoop low and speak in the language that the audience understands.

You still have not defended the lies, back-pedalling, etc.

I am not a liberal, nor a conservative. I said it before, but will say it again -- I care not which party is in power in the US; I only care that you have a decent human being for president.

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Mar 27, 2019 20:35:38   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Yes, sometimes one has to stoop low and speak in the language that the audience understands.

You still have not defended the lies, back-pedalling, etc.

I am not a liberal, nor a conservative. I said it before, but will say it again -- I care not which party is in power in the US; I only care that you have a decent human being for president.


One never has to "stoop low....." as you say. People only do it when they cannot find the words to defend their argument or they have a superiority complex and think only they have the high moral ground. Speaking to someone in a condescending manner such as you do shows your true color. But you are entertaining.

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Mar 27, 2019 20:45:45   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I see a few things wrong in Piers Morgan's words, specifically where he says Trump stands completely vindicated and that the Mueller report cleared Trump of collusion. According to Bill Barr's letter where he quoted the report ("While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.") there was simply insufficient evidence to call Trump's actions criminal. There is plenty of evidence that collusion (which is not a crime) took place. The real issue is the actions of Team Trump prior to and even after his election -- why all the lies and secrecy about what was going on if there was nothing "wrong" with what they were doing?

I am not an expert on American presidential history, but I would guess that in most past elections Congress and the American people in general accepted the election results with the feeling that the man with the most popular policy platform -- and perhaps personality -- beat out the other guy, and the country moved on.

But in the case of Trump we have someone who, IMHO, does NOT possess the qualities of a person who dignifies the office of The US President (the list of despicable character traits is too long to list here). And the very fact that so many of the elements of the US government (Congress, Justice Dept, Defence Dept, National Security, etc), respected journalists and authors all questioned what was going on in the background -- none of which we yet know the details of -- speaks volumes about the suitability of Trump to lead the nation. He has tried to run the government the way he runs his businesses (cheating, lying, bending the rules for personal gain and self-gratification, etc), and sadly he has severely damaged the image of the US as the paragon of democracy in the free world.

Some Americans, especially the Trump supporters, might say that as a non-American I should stay out of American politics. The trouble is that the US is not an isolated entity in the world. Trump's actions, his personality, and his practice of humiliating political enemies -- even international leaders who do not exalt him -- has changed the entire world, and that means his presidency is affecting me.

I love the US as a country, I have travelled it extensively, I have lived there on several occasions, and I respect Americans as a people; but I have no respect for Trump. I believe history will not be kind to this man, and I believe that the sooner he is removed from office the better the country will be.

Make America Great Again -- and get rid of this jerk!!! Surely with a population of almost 330 million you can find someone better to lead the country.
I see a few things wrong in Piers Morgan's words, ... (show quote)


WELL WRITTEN ..... AND RIGHT ON .....

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Mar 27, 2019 21:05:23   #
EyeSawYou
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Hillary lost the election because of the way your electoral college system is set up. The popular vote results were as follows:
Trump -- 62,979,636
Clinton -- 65,844,610
Other -- 7,804,213
This means that, according to popular vote 73,648,823 people did NOT vote for Trump. He only got 46% of the popular vote.

And there is some doubt that the election was "fair". Yes, there was no foul play found in the election process, but you will never know how much the Russian meddling interfered with the election in favour of Trump.
Hillary lost the election because of the way your ... (show quote)


Pure foolishness, Trump won the election as directed in the U.S. Constitution so get over Hillary's loss already. Oh ya, this means 70,783,849 people did NOT vote for Hillary. Trump ONLY got 46% of the vote?? ONLY?? LOL Hillary ONLY got 48% of the vote, not that much higher than Trump, but if it makes you fell better have at it.....who's sitting in the Oval Office now?? lol Trump won the popular vote in 30 states, Hillary ONLY won popular votes in 20 states....TRUMP WINS!!! Also Trump won 75.6% of the nation’s land mass compared to Hillary's 24.4%. lol

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