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Feb 11, 2013 10:40:03   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
oldmalky wrote:
Why?? is the obvious question and the answer is i watched the Alex Jones program on u tube, he backs up what he says and if only a little bit is true then i would be afraid, If I were to become a resident of the USA buying weapons would be one of the first things i would do. I know awful things have happened and looking after your guns security cannot be very important but what you may have to face in the future
isnt nice.


Fear is a powerful force. Jones uses it to sell his books and telecasts. I used to read his articles all the time. Then it dawned on me one day that I was living in fear of all things. So I quit him. These days, I understand that there are all kinds of people out there, but to live in fear because of a very small percentage of them is counter productive. I lock my house when I leave, hubby keeps a pistol on the bed table but actually, I don't even know if it's loaded, and I wouldn't know how to use it anyhow. I don't jump at every nightly noise, I have two very noisy dogs to give warning. I believe our thoughts are an extremely powerful force and so if we dwell on fear and loathing on a daily basis, then we will draw that same to us. So I think positive, I try to see the best in all people. It has worked for me. And I don't have bad dreams!

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Feb 11, 2013 10:44:11   #
Otis
 
Dude, you are a hernia, you can stay in the (y)UK.
JR1 wrote:
Then again I would no more want to live country that NEEDS (hah) guns than I would want a hernia

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Feb 11, 2013 10:44:33   #
Otis
 
Dude, you are a hernia, you can stay in the (y)UK.
JR1 wrote:
Then again I would no more want to live country that NEEDS (hah) guns than I would want a hernia

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Feb 11, 2013 11:02:34   #
papayanirvana Loc: Kauai
 
Selwyn Petterson wrote:
...But I believe a moment has arrived in the US where you will have to re-think the entire issue, especially Military style guns which there is little justification to own.

SP


But we need our guns to be able to defeat the US army, navy, marines, air force and nuclear armament... if they happen to turn on the people (It's true because it says so in our constitiution)

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Feb 11, 2013 11:04:30   #
Selwyn Petterson Loc: Oxford UK
 
Your right. In UK our Army cant afford many guns, cos we are broke

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Feb 11, 2013 11:05:47   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
oldmalky wrote:
Why?? is the obvious question and the answer is i watched the Alex Jones program on u tube, he backs up what he says and if only a little bit is true then i would be afraid, If I were to become a resident of the USA buying weapons would be one of the first things i would do. I know awful things have happened and looking after your guns security cannot be very important but what you may have to face in the future
isnt nice.



Have no fear. This guy is on it.



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Feb 11, 2013 11:46:05   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
krispix wrote:
pbearperry wrote:
oldmalky wrote:
Frank T wrote:
Just so you know, you've got your nuts too. Here's an article about a UK man threatening to kill 200 students:

http://www.blackpoolcitizen.co.uk/uk_national_news/10217912.Man_held_in_school_threats_probe/?ref=nt


Yes that is true BUT our nut is in police custody how about your ex-policeman who has threatened to kill 40 officers and their families, hasnt he already killed three??



Well,its been a week or so and our law enforcement people haven't found this killer yet that's true.Your Cops have been looking for Jack the Ripper for over 100 years and the case is still open.Stick that in your pipe and blow it. Sarcasm goes both ways.
quote=oldmalky quote=Frank T Just so you know, y... (show quote)


Sarcasm is fine, but making up stories to suit some agenda or other is not sarcasm.
For the record, we are NOT still looking for Jack the Ripper, we've pretty much accepted that he's probably dead by now. The police at the time were overstreached and despite the efforts of a sensationalist press didn't see the case as deserving of too much of their time. Jack only realised notoriety in the 1930's and 40's thanks to the public's taste for horror, blood and gore (not much different to 'Die Hard' really). In the 1960's when Scotland Yard (Metropolitan Police HQ) was relocated most of the files and any remaining evidence on Jack were destroyed. In the 1970's the public's interest was rekindled by a rash of cheap films.
quote=pbearperry quote=oldmalky quote=Frank T J... (show quote)


So you are saying that the English are easily lead astray simply by cheap films. No wonder you are not allowed guns!

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Feb 11, 2013 11:46:05   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
krispix wrote:
pbearperry wrote:
oldmalky wrote:
Frank T wrote:
Just so you know, you've got your nuts too. Here's an article about a UK man threatening to kill 200 students:

http://www.blackpoolcitizen.co.uk/uk_national_news/10217912.Man_held_in_school_threats_probe/?ref=nt


Yes that is true BUT our nut is in police custody how about your ex-policeman who has threatened to kill 40 officers and their families, hasnt he already killed three??



Well,its been a week or so and our law enforcement people haven't found this killer yet that's true.Your Cops have been looking for Jack the Ripper for over 100 years and the case is still open.Stick that in your pipe and blow it. Sarcasm goes both ways.
quote=oldmalky quote=Frank T Just so you know, y... (show quote)


Sarcasm is fine, but making up stories to suit some agenda or other is not sarcasm.
For the record, we are NOT still looking for Jack the Ripper, we've pretty much accepted that he's probably dead by now. The police at the time were overstreached and despite the efforts of a sensationalist press didn't see the case as deserving of too much of their time. Jack only realised notoriety in the 1930's and 40's thanks to the public's taste for horror, blood and gore (not much different to 'Die Hard' really). In the 1960's when Scotland Yard (Metropolitan Police HQ) was relocated most of the files and any remaining evidence on Jack were destroyed. In the 1970's the public's interest was rekindled by a rash of cheap films.
quote=pbearperry quote=oldmalky quote=Frank T J... (show quote)


So you are saying that the English are easily lead astray simply by cheap films. No wonder you are not allowed guns!

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Feb 11, 2013 12:02:49   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
You really can’t draw comparisons between the US and England. The state of California has more area and people that does the entire country of England. Something happens on the east coast and we’re compared to England something happens on the west coast and we’re compared to England. You’d get a much more fair comparison if you compare the US to Europe. Of course I know that would be a lot less fun for many.

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Feb 11, 2013 12:03:44   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Don't let Alex Jones change your thoughts for one second, he is nuts.

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Feb 11, 2013 12:06:26   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
FutureLook wrote:
I have a suggestion to make. What you guys on the other side of the Atlantic stay where you are and worry about your own problem instead of trying to solve the problems on this side of the Atlantic. You don't have to worry about our criminals and our own gun laws and you don't even have to visit the USA. You might want to stay put, visit or live in other countries in the world where you might feel safer. I don't feel safe at all in London in spite of a zillion cameras with approximately 7 or 8% of muslim population with many radical cells that can massacre hundreds of innocent people as they have done for quite some time.
I would like to see the riots created by a few USA passport dropped at Trafalgar Square by people that would love to come and live here in spite of the so called "Gun problem" that we have. You take care of your problems and we will take care of our. Stop wasting your time criticizing us and take care of your problems that are many.
I have a suggestion to make. What you guys on the... (show quote)


Are you off your meds by chance?

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Feb 11, 2013 12:08:31   #
Robbie7 Loc: Northampton. England
 
viscountdriver wrote:
JR1 tends to interfere in the affairs of another country. Whatever we feel about guns in the UK we should not preach to another country. We have plenty they can come back on, for heavens sake.


Sorry I have to disagree here...All actions taken by nations in the world affect each other and always have done. It is! our business what goes on in America and every where else. Why do you think America/Britain and others are stomping around all over the place imposing there will on others?

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Feb 11, 2013 12:18:08   #
Robbie7 Loc: Northampton. England
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
Don't let Alex Jones change your thoughts for one second, he is nuts.


Anyone who would give guns to Alex Jones is themselves crazy. The man is so passionate he shouts down any sensible views given to him on how to stop atrocities like Sandy Hook?
This isnt just an American problem it affects other nations also., we need a way to solve it. Paradoxically I do however see what the OP said, the present state of the mindset in the US would make me think, should I have a gun, as JR1 said in so many words, rather than buy a gun I would choose to visit many of the other wonderful countrys where the risk is lower.. regards

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Feb 11, 2013 12:18:23   #
stevenelson Loc: Pauls Valley, Oklahoma
 
oldmalky wrote:
Why?? is the obvious question and the answer is i watched the Alex Jones program on u tube, he backs up what he says and if only a little bit is true then i would be afraid, If I were to become a resident of the USA buying weapons would be one of the first things i would do. I know awful things have happened and looking after your guns security cannot be very important but what you may have to face in the future
isnt nice.


Which program are you talking about? How about a link?

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Feb 11, 2013 12:19:47   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
DHS buys 7000 full-auto assault rifles, calls them ‘personal defense weapons’<http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-7000-full-auto-assault-rifles-calls-them-personal-defense-weapons/>
Mike Adams
Natural News<http://www.naturalnews.com/038844_DHS_assault_weapons_documents.html>
In yet another huge blow to the rhetoric and narrative of the Obama administration and its desire to disarm the American public, a DHS bid has been uncovered (see documents below) showing that the Department of Homeland Security recently put out an offer to purchase 7,000 full-auto “assault weapons” to be used domestically, inside the USA.
Keep in mind that President Obama is on the record saying, “AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals; that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities.”
But it seems he really means they don’t belong on the streets of our cities unless they are in the hands of homeland security enforcers, in which case they can be FULL-AUTO assault weapons.
The DHS bid for 7,000 full-auto assault weapons is found by clicking here<https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0>. The original credit for discovering this goes, to my best knowledge, to Awr Hawkins at Breitbart.com.<http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/14/Who-Needs-An-AR-15>
In the hands of the government, they’re called “Personal Defense Weapons”
The juiciest part of this bid is the use of the phrase “Personal Defense Weapons” to describe the full-auto AR-15s being purchased by DHS.
Apparently, when YOU hold an AR-15, it’s an “assault rifle.” But magically, if you hand that same rifle to an armed government homeland security enforcer, it instantly transforms itself into a “personal defense weapon.”
The request for bid actually says:
DHS<http://www.naturalnews.com/DHS.html> and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and / or when maximum concealment is required.
So there it is, right in black and white: DHS enforcers need full-auto AR-15s which are “suitable for personal defense<http://www.naturalnews.com/defense.html> in close quarters” and for “maximum concealment.”
But if you or I make the same claim, suddenly we are branded lunatics by the fringe left and all the gun grabbers across America who apparently have no clue that their own government is arming up like never before.
Senator Feinstein, the gun-grabbing Senator from California<http://www.naturalnews.com/038815_gun_control_Dianne_Feinstein_government_force.html>, says she wants to take all the guns from all Americans. “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,” she says on the record. But while Mr. and Mrs. America are turning in their guns, ‘roid-head DHS goons are arming to the teeth with full-auto assault rifles.
This is all on top of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition<http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html> the U.S. government has already stockpiled, as was discovered last year. What kind of government wants to domestically stockpile ammo and full-auto weapons, putting them in the hands of domestic agents who have nothing whatsoever to do with overseas wars? Well, the kind of government that plans to NEED 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and full-auto assault weapons, of course.
Read some language from the contract bid: Pistol grips, full-auto and more
Click here to see the bid.<https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d791b6aa0fd9d3d8833b2efa08300033&tab=core&_cview=0>
Here’s some selected text from the bid:
ICE/Mission Support-DC
Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Office of Acquisition Management
801 I Street NW, Suite 980
Washington DC 20536
Troy Teachey, troy.teachey@dhs.gov<mailto:troy.teachey@dhs.gov>
Delivery Location Code: ICE/AS/NFTTU
ICE Natl Firearm Tactical Trng Unit
Immigration and Customs Enforcement
500 12th ST SW, Washington DC 20536
5.56X45mm NATO Personal Defense Weapon
During the base period and four option periods of this contract the maximum ceiling is $9,800,000.
Click here for the PDF document<http://www.naturalnews.com/files/DHS_Assault_Weapons_bid.pdf> containing the following text:
The scope of this contract is to provide a total of up to 7,000 5.56x45mm North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) personal defense weapons (PDW) throughout the life of this contract to numerous Department of Homeland Security components.
The action shall be select-fire (capable of semi-automatic and automatic fire).
The action shall be capable of accepting all standard NATO STANAG 20 and 30 round M16 magazines (NSN 1005-00-921-5004) and Magpul 30 round PMAG (NSN 1005-01-576-5159). The magazine shall have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5<http://www.naturalnews.com/5.html>.56x45mm NATO rounds.
The receiver top shall be equipped with an integral MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail for mounting sights and other accessories.
The fire control selector shall have three positions; safe, semi-automatic, and automatic.
The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.
DHS admits AR-15 with 30-round magazine is “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters”
This government document openly admits that AR-15s with 30-round magazines and capable of fully automatic fire are “suitable for personal defense” in close quarters (i.e. your home).
CNN, of course, doesn’t want you to ever hear that. Nor does Feinstein, Cuomo, Schumer, Obama, Eric Holder or any other gun grabbers. Even while their own government is arming up with 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and 7,000 full-auto “assault<http://www.naturalnews.com/assault.html> rifles” (plus lots more in other bids), they are trying to completely disarm the American citizenry through new gun registration and confiscation legislation.
The whole point of all this, of course, is to create firepower disparity between the government and the citizenry… To disarm the People while arming up the government agents who operate domestically. That way, the people can be forced at gunpoint into doing almost anything the oppressive government demands! (Taking vaccine shots, giving up private property, turning over farms and businesses, etc.)
What’s really hard-hitting about this is that the radical left keeps claiming things like “no one needs an assault rifle for personal defense.” Okay, if that true, then the Department of Homeland Security should abandon all such rifles first! Let’s see DHS turn in all its rifles and ammo, thereby setting an example of the “fact” that “nobody needs an assault rifle” for self defense.
In truth, a full-auto AR-15 is an outstanding weapon for self defense, which is exactly why DHS is buying thousands of them. Nothing stops bad guys faster than a barrage of high-velocity lead aimed in their direction. Again, that’s why DHS wants these rifles in the first place. One of these rifles in the hands of a citizen could have stopped the Sandy Hook shooting in seconds.
Pay attention to the word games (which are really mind games)
As you observe the highly manipulated gun control argument, pay special attention to the word games you’re being subjected to:
An AR-15 in the hands of a citizen is an “assault rifle.”
But an AR-15 in the hands of a DHS agent is a “Personal Defense Weapon.”
A full-auto-capable rifle in the hands of a citizen is called a “machine gun.”
A full-auto-capable rifle in the hands of a DHS agent is called a “select-fire rifle.”
According to the media, all government agents with assault rifles are presumed innocent and assumed to be stopping crime.
But all private citizens with assault rifles are presumed guilty and assumed to be causing crime.
When one citizen goes crazy and murders a bunch of people, the call goes out for ALL citizens to be stripped of their firearms.
But when one government agent goes crazy and murders a bunch of people, the calls goes out for MORE guns to be placed in the hands of MORE government agents!
Thank you, DHS, for admitting the truth
In summary, it looks like we actually need to thank the DHS for admitting the truth that Obama won’t: AR-15s are personal defense weapons, suitable for use in close quarters, especially when equipped with 30-round magazines.
That’s why I own one, and it’s why DHS wants thousands more (but theirs are full-auto, while mine is only semi-auto).
As a general rule, all freedom-loving Americans should want the same firepower their domestic government possesses. That’s the whole point behind the Second Amendment, and it represents the distribution of power in a free society.
But instead of firepower being equal in America today, DHS is using our taxpayer dollars to purchase thousands of full-auto weapons for their own agents. This is apparently being done under ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement).
This brings up the question for another entire article, and here’s the question: Why does immigration need 7,000 full-auto assault rifles? Is there a friggin’ Mexican invasion planned that nobody told me about? Is ICE going to invade Mexico and start a shooting war with the Mexican drug cartels?
Seriously: Why does ICE need 7,000 full-auto assault rifles? And why does DHS need 1.6 billion rounds of ammo?

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