KW Conch wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
viscountdriver wrote:
JR1 tends to interfere in the affairs of another country. Whatever we feel about guns in the UK we should not preach to another country. We have plenty they can come back on, for heavens sake.
Sorry I have to disagree here...All actions taken by nations in the world affect each other and always have done. It is! our business what goes on in America and every where else. Why do you think America/Britain and others are stomping around all over the place imposing there will on others?
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So other might enjoy the same freedoms as do you, so others arent forced into slave labor, so others are imprisoned or tortured for no reason, so others have an opportunity to work to improve their own lot in life and so others might have the same freedom to say the stupid sh*t you seem to enjoy saying. Its called promoting and protecting individual freedoms.
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I thought that you conservatives were trying to cut spending. How does wasting money trying to change the culture of sovereign countries around the world meet that goal ? Also, it makes more people hate us and creates more terrorists. Lets mind our own business. Where in the constitution does it say that we need to interfere in the internal business of other countries ?
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Hi KW :D I am not pro UK or US, I would not even attempt to defend the atrocities committed around the world by the British. Quite often the question arises "Why does everyone hate us Americans?" Do these people not see what is happening in the name of their country, do they not understand what it must feel like to see your villages, forests, lakes being destroyed and your loved ones being slaughtered. The answer is no, why? because it has never happened to them. At least that was one farce Britain was not involved in..no offence intended here :-)
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Robbie7...I am very concerned with the jingoistic attitude of many of my American countrymen. They have no problem interfering in the affairs of countries around the world, but have the audacity to tell you to "butt out" when you merely make an observation on events in this country. A double standard for sure.
The radical right in America is constantly talking about what our founding fathers stood for, but they neglect to mention that Washington and Jefferson had this to say :
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."
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Thankyou for replying :-) When I first began to participate in the chat section it was with and still is the intention to add to sensible debate as neutrally as possible. The whole planet is in turmoil, and mankind is still bickering among themselves, when there are far more urgent global issues to debate. Most nations have a past they can be proud of and ashamed of. On this site alone we have a diversity of opinions offered by intelligent and ignorant members. There is a point however where an orginal OP turns to mush, where people start twisting, cutting and pasting parts of text to suit there needs, mis-quoting and telling untruths, it is at the point when decent members have opted out and the thread becomes a farce. I have begun to realise this and will now adopt this practice. Once again thankyou for your positive response...regards :D
For those not so up on the history of semi automatic hunting rifles, they have been around for longer than I have been alive which is 75 yrs. the few that come to mind made in the '30s - .32 Remington, ( which I used to kill a running black bear in '54) - my favored concealed weapon is a 1930's.32 Remington auto .
350 Remington, .351 Remington just the ones I personally know of - also my first .22 "is" -I still have it is a .22 Stevens 18 shot made somewhere in the late 30's or early 40's as dad bought it used in '45 - I was 8 yrs old and hunted gray squirrels with it - yes we eat them fried or baked - I still do today.
phcaan
Loc: Willow Springs, MO
Robbie7 wrote:
Otis wrote:
Dude, you are a hernia, you can stay in the (y)UK.
JR1 wrote:
Then again I would no more want to live country that NEEDS (hah) guns than I would want a hernia
That is not only a Stupid reply, you post it twice?
Well----you were dumb enough to read it twice!!
oldmalky wrote:
Why?? is the obvious question and the answer is i watched the Alex Jones program on u tube......
isnt nice.
Please save yourself from
anything Alex Jones says. The guy is a fear-mongering sham pulling fictional predictions out of thin air so he can laugh his way to the bank.
Here's a solid video illustrating how he is continuously fabricating nonsense and sensationalism. It's clear this man can only be classified as fictional "entertainment".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwURLwd8pEACritical thinking folks. Be a part of it. Alex Jones is far more dangerous than any of the events he is making up.
digiman
Loc: Brooklyn, NY/Greenville, SC
oldmalky wrote:
Yes that is true BUT our nut is in police custody how about your ex-policeman who has threatened to kill 40 officers and their families, hasnt he already killed three??
Can't we all just get along with our fellow brothers and sisters across the pond and vice versa? I want to give a shout out to an iconic, British character, Tiny Tim, he said it best of all - God bless us, everyone.
Harvey wrote:
For those not so up on the history of semi automatic hunting rifles, they have been around for longer than I have been alive which is 75 yrs. the few that come to mind made in the '30s - .32 Remington, ( which I used to kill a running black bear in '54) - my favored concealed weapon is a 1930's.32 Remington auto .
350 Remington, .351 Remington just the ones I personally know of - also my first .22 "is" -I still have it is a .22 Stevens 18 shot made somewhere in the late 30's or early 40's as dad bought it used in '45 - I was 8 yrs old and hunted gray squirrels with it - yes we eat them fried or baked - I still do today.
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HARVEY .......................
I have a semi-automatic 32 Remmington. Man, does that thing kick ! I believe it was the first semi-automatic hunting rifle. A friend of my mother's, gave it to me, forty years ago. It had been her husband's.
oldmalky wrote:
Yes that is true BUT our nut is in police custody how about your ex-policeman who has threatened to kill 40 officers and their families, hasnt he already killed three??
Yes the rogue cop is still on the run. He shot 3, one died. On Wensday, the entire Dept. will attend the funeral. County agency's will cover the cities police functions for the day. My son was a friend of his.
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
digiman wrote:
oldmalky wrote:
Yes that is true BUT our nut is in police custody how about your ex-policeman who has threatened to kill 40 officers and their families, hasnt he already killed three??
Can't we all just get along with our fellow brothers and sisters across the pond and vice versa? I want to give a shout out to an iconic, British character, Tiny Tim, he said it best of all - God bless us, everyone.
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I actually agree with you wholeheartedly. I have family living across the pond just outside of London and the Brits and Americans have many of the same concerns and issues. I think its difficult for the average Brit to understand the differences that result from the very nature of our two countries. America is a vast land by comparison and thereby creates a different way of life with a different array of problems and issues. Ive developed some pretty close friendships and discovered were more alike than some would like to admit. I get a little frustrated when the America haters come slithering out of their holes spewing uniformed opinions based on personal agendas but that I think is the minority not the majority, hell we have plenty of America haters right here at home. Id be the first to jump in and lend a hand if my help was needed, God save the Queen!
pbearperry wrote:
oldmalky wrote:
Yes that is true BUT our nut is in police custody how about your ex-policeman who has threatened to kill 40 officers and their families, hasnt he already killed three??
Well,its been a week or so and our law enforcement people haven't found this killer yet that's true.Your Cops have been looking for Jack the Ripper for over 100 years and the case is still open.Stick that in your pipe and blow it. Sarcasm goes both ways.
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And Jack is still alive?lol.
Pepper wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
Bmac wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
viscountdriver wrote:
JR1 tends to interfere in the affairs of another country. Whatever we feel about guns in the UK we should not preach to another country. We have plenty they can come back on, for heavens sake.
Sorry I have to disagree here...All actions taken by nations in the world affect each other and always have done. It is! our business what goes on in America and every where else. Why do you think America/Britain and others are stomping around all over the place imposing there will on others?
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So other might enjoy the same freedoms as do you, so others arent forced into slave labor, so others are imprisoned or tortured for no reason, so others have an opportunity to work to improve their own lot in life and so others might have the same freedom to say the stupid sh*t you seem to enjoy saying. Its called promoting and protecting individual freedoms.
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Just imagine the jackboot is on the other foot e.g. North Vietnam invaded the US. They defoliate your forests, drop naplam bombs on your towns, you see children running screaming with burning napalm over their bodies, is this promoting freedom or winning hearts and minds, why was US there, do you really believe it was because they wanted to promote freedom or anything else in that country. I could add a lot more but I think you wouldn't be able to stand it...reply if you wish but I haven't got the time to waste so I wont be replying..
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You appear to know very little concerning the Vietnam War based on your simplistic comments. Further, I will not be as presumptuous as you and make specific analogies regarding the British Empire being invaded by the numerous nations that were held down by the British jackboot. 8-)
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Make any assumptions you like about the British Empire, they will probably be true, It would appear to me that you have either ignored the contents of my message or you are unable to see the point I was making. You deflect the sentiment by challenging my knowledge of the Vietnam war. this being so anyone only has to look at news reels etc to see the truth.
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Well if youre looking at news reels then it must be true after all the media always gets it right. If you look close youll also learn that the Viet Nam experience was certainly not an action supported by all Americans. I for one was not a supporter of the Viet Nam action, having said that Id add that the USA has fought for freedom and self rule since the founding of our country. If you actually looked at historical fact youd see that we have fought for many nations and have NOT imposed our will on anyone. Examples? England, France, Poland, Iraq, Italy, Greece and the list goes on and on. Once the oppressors (Hitler and Mussolini types) were defeated and the indigenous peoples were back in control we backed off. Our presence in these countries today is to offer security and protection not as a means to impose our will on anyone. Let me ask all you brave, compassionate, caring folks a question, if you saw your neighbor lady being brutality molested would you help her? If someone was forcing your daughter into prostitution would you want someone to help you save her? I could go on but you get the idea. You want your loved ones protected but to hell with those who live in other countries. Tell me, are the people in Iraq better off now or under Sadam Hussein?
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At least Christians were allowed to practice their religion under Hussein. Now they're being slaughtered.And no I don't think they are better off. Those people are better off being left alone. We in the west are not going to change them.Leave them to their own peril.
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stevenelson wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
U
stevenelson wrote:
oldmalky wrote:
Why?? is the obvious question and the answer is i watched the Alex Jones program on u tube, he backs up what he says and if only a little bit is true then i would be afraid, If I were to become a resident of the USA buying weapons would be one of the first things i would do. I know awful things have happened and looking after your guns security cannot be very important but what you may have to face in the future
isnt nice.
Which program are you talking about? How about a link?
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Utube the Piers Morgan vs Alex Jones debate, and be honest in your judgement..
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Is this the correct one?
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No,he was on his breakfast show and for the majority of his show he gave links which were available to all in the US who wished to see for them selves.
Frapha wrote:
Having the gun is one thing; carrying it is another thing; knowing how & when to use it (or not use it) EFFECTIVELY is a very different thing. I fear we've got way too many folks carrying that think a few hours in a classroom and 50 rounds or so on the range have made them an expert.
Frapha; What I really worried and disagree of Gun Control, is that the economic disparities or a few with much and a lot without enough to survive is not stoped, then the obvious reason for gun control.
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raysass wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
Bmac wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Robbie7 wrote:
viscountdriver wrote:
JR1 tends to interfere in the affairs of another country. Whatever we feel about guns in the UK we should not preach to another country. We have plenty they can come back on, for heavens sake.
Sorry I have to disagree here...All actions taken by nations in the world affect each other and always have done. It is! our business what goes on in America and every where else. Why do you think America/Britain and others are stomping around all over the place imposing there will on others?
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So other might enjoy the same freedoms as do you, so others arent forced into slave labor, so others are imprisoned or tortured for no reason, so others have an opportunity to work to improve their own lot in life and so others might have the same freedom to say the stupid sh*t you seem to enjoy saying. Its called promoting and protecting individual freedoms.
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Just imagine the jackboot is on the other foot e.g. North Vietnam invaded the US. They defoliate your forests, drop naplam bombs on your towns, you see children running screaming with burning napalm over their bodies, is this promoting freedom or winning hearts and minds, why was US there, do you really believe it was because they wanted to promote freedom or anything else in that country. I could add a lot more but I think you wouldn't be able to stand it...reply if you wish but I haven't got the time to waste so I wont be replying..
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You appear to know very little concerning the Vietnam War based on your simplistic comments. Further, I will not be as presumptuous as you and make specific analogies regarding the British Empire being invaded by the numerous nations that were held down by the British jackboot. 8-)
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Make any assumptions you like about the British Empire, they will probably be true, It would appear to me that you have either ignored the contents of my message or you are unable to see the point I was making. You deflect the sentiment by challenging my knowledge of the Vietnam war. this being so anyone only has to look at news reels etc to see the truth.
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Well if youre looking at news reels then it must be true after all the media always gets it right. If you look close youll also learn that the Viet Nam experience was certainly not an action supported by all Americans. I for one was not a supporter of the Viet Nam action, having said that Id add that the USA has fought for freedom and self rule since the founding of our country. If you actually looked at historical fact youd see that we have fought for many nations and have NOT imposed our will on anyone. Examples? England, France, Poland, Iraq, Italy, Greece and the list goes on and on. Once the oppressors (Hitler and Mussolini types) were defeated and the indigenous peoples were back in control we backed off. Our presence in these countries today is to offer security and protection not as a means to impose our will on anyone. Let me ask all you brave, compassionate, caring folks a question, if you saw your neighbor lady being brutality molested would you help her? If someone was forcing your daughter into prostitution would you want someone to help you save her? I could go on but you get the idea. You want your loved ones protected but to hell with those who live in other countries. Tell me, are the people in Iraq better off now or under Sadam Hussein?
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At least Christians were allowed to practice their religion under Hussein. Now they're being slaughtered.And no I don't think they are better off. Those people are better off being left alone. We in the west are not going to change them.Leave them to their own peril.
e
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