How to Shoot in Manual Mode (Page 4): Yes you do. You've been proven wrong by authoritative sources. This is a well understood aspect of digital photography and it's well documented.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

selmslie wrote:

I don't need to do that.

Yes you do. You've been proven wrong by authoritative sources. This is a well understood aspect of digital photography and it's well documented. You don't get to brush aside that documentation and those authoritative sources and claim they're wrong without referencing a documented rebuttal source.

And you obviously can't do that because you're wrong.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

selmslie wrote:

I know a lot more about exposure and noise than you ever will. You are just not that smart.

And still you have no reference, and still you're proven wrong.

BebuLamar

selmslie wrote:

I always use full manual because it puts me, not the camera, in control. I'm not perfect but I seldom make mistakes because I know what I want. The camera can't read my mind. It's just a dumb instrument.

I only use the camera's meter as a reference. Highlight warnings are more reliable.

Like Ysarex said he can make the camera does anything he wants it to using P mode. Yes he can but it's a lot more complex using EC, AE Lock, P shift function etc.. Manual is much simpler and straight forward, easy to understand. So manual is really for beginners. Once you know better you can keep using manual if you like (like you and me) or you can use any auto mode you want as you can make them behave the way you want.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

BebuLamar wrote:

Like Ysarex said he can make the camera does anything he wants it to using P mode. Yes he can but it's a lot more complex using EC, AE Lock, P shift function etc.. Manual is much simpler and straight forward, easy to understand.

The differences are minor and a practiced user makes those differences insignificant. Use whatever operational mode you're comfortable with; it's a non-issue. What's wrong are claims such as the article presented that one mode provides "far more control" than the others.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Ysarex wrote:

The camera's metering system is a tool that is adjustable and controllable. The article claimed that using Manual mode provides far more control than using modes like A or S priority and that's false. See the reference terryMc posted.

What you don't know and understand would fill volumes. Whenever you see a new idea that you don't understand you dismiss it as BS. You can't really think your way through a complete idea.

If you really want to see an authoritative body of work, take a look at the links under Additional Information. There are 29 articles covering technical aspects of film and digital photography. The latest one just happens to be Digital Image Noise. Go there and learn something.

Where is your body of work? It seems to consist entirely of rants on UHH where you complain about ideas you don't understand.

You are not going to learn anything by surfing the net for other people's ideas. You need to do some research of your own, as I have. Then you can write an article of your own to report your findings.

Keep relying on your camera's meter. It is certainly much smarter than you are.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Ysarex wrote:

And still you have no reference, and still you're proven wrong.

Why should I imitate you? You have seldom provided a reference that you actually understood. You have never expressed more than the simplest concept in your own words.

And you can't post a credible proof of a concept if you can't verbalize it.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

selmslie wrote:

Keep relying on your camera's meter.

I never unthinkingly rely on my camera's meter. Stop putting words into my mouth. It's an ignorant thing to do.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

selmslie wrote:

Why should I imitate you? You have seldom provided a reference that you actually understood. You have never expressed more than the simplest concept in your own words.

And you can't post a credible proof of a concept if you can't verbalize it.

And still you have no reference to show. So you're going to whine and throw juvenile insults for four more pages?

I provided five recognized expert references that prove you're wrong. You remain proven wrong.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Ysarex wrote:

I never unthinkingly rely on my camera's meter. Stop putting words into my mouth. It's an ignorant thing to do.

By your own admission, you do if you don’t use full manual.

BebuLamar

Ysarex wrote:

The differences are minor and a practiced user makes those differences insignificant. Use whatever operational mode you're comfortable with; it's a non-issue. What's wrong are claims such as the article presented that one mode provides "far more control" than the others.

If you know your camera you can have control of it regardless what kind of mode you use. So the how to shoot in manual is really BS to me. It's the simplest thing on camera controls. It's the first thing you should know before moving on to explore the multi auto modes.
But of course if you don't know how the camera does its things then you really have no control of it.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

selmslie wrote:

By your own admission,

Quote it.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

BebuLamar wrote:

If you know your camera you can have control of it regardless what kind of mode you use. So the how to shoot in manual is really BS to me. It's the simplest thing on camera controls. It's the first thing you should know before moving on to explore the multi auto modes.
But of course if you don't know how the camera does its things then you really have no control of it.

Agreed.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Ysarex wrote:

And still you have no reference to show. So you're going to whine and throw juvenile insults for four more pages?

I provided five recognized expert references that prove you're wrong. You remain proven wrong.

I have provided information for you from Photons to Photos. What more can you ask for?

I just showed you a reference from another authoritative source, me.

You could not assemble a lucid article on noise if your life depended on it.

You remain confused.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Ysarex wrote:

Quote it.

I don’t have to. It’s all you have talked about.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

selmslie wrote:

I have provided information for you from Photons to Photos.

What you provided from Photons to Photos does not refute the fact that raising ISO typically suppresses read noise -- already dealt with: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-802246-2.html#14513555

selmslie wrote:

I just showed you a reference from another authoritative source, me.

You are not an authoritative source.

You're still whining and still, as expected, you have provided no reference. You remain proven wrong.