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Oct 20, 2023 08:48:40   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I know what you mean, and I've read comments like this before. Basically, it doesn't matter. I do a lot of posting, but I've posted relatively few images. So what? Thousands of pictures are posed here, some looking better than others. I've always enjoyed photography, especially the technical/hardware aspect. That doesn't mean that I'm a great photographer. I wouldn't ever win a photo contest.

Looking at this another way, every great performer, in any field, has people who help him improve. Those coaches aren't world-famous performers, yet they can help others to improve. I'm not claiming to be an expert photography coach, but I enjoy the subject, the gear, and the discussion.

If this were simply a photo display site, it would be different. It's just a forum where people can discuss photography and other topics.
I know what you mean, and I've read comments like ... (show quote)


HA HA HA. Oh, that's rich. A photography site for photographers WITHOUT any posted images. What a joke.
The truth is most folks who are here will NOT post their images, cause they are not good enough to post. They are just TALKING HEADS with no real photographic skills.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:02:45   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
MosheR wrote:
I hope this message finds everyone here well. I am a bit hesitant to post this, but something has been bothering me for some time, and I decided I had to get it off my chest. I am writing to express my deep frustration and disappointment with some of the members of this forum, specifically the disturbing trend of users who actively participate in discussions about equipment, techniques, and the intricacies of photography, but fail to share their actual work. They talk about GAS attacks, spend thousands of dollars they often claim they don’t have, on equipment they then don’t use. At least they don’t show us that they use it. As far as I can tell, they don’t post to any other forums either.

Photography is an art form meant to capture and convey moments, emotions, and stories. It is an act of creation, a way to connect and communicate with the world and with fellow photographers. However, a significant portion of our users seems to have lost sight of this fundamental aspect. Instead, they engage in endless debates about the esoteric details of lenses, shutter speeds, sensor sizes, file formats, and gear-related topics.

It is truly disheartening to witness such dedication to these technical aspects without a corresponding commitment to sharing the fruits of their labor – their photographs. Discussion about equipment and techniques is undoubtedly valuable, but they should be in service of the primary objective of photography: capturing and sharing images that inspire and evoke emotion.

As Theodore Roosevelt once said:
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

In the context of photography forums, the "man in the arena" should be the individual who actively captures moments, share his/her work, and invite constructive criticism. He is the one who truly contributes to the growth of the photography community. It's time for those who hide behind technical jargon to join the ranks of those who dare to share their artistic creations.
I urge all of us prioritize the sharing of photographs alongside technical discussions. By doing so, we can foster a more vibrant and inspiring environment for photographers at all levels of expertise.
I hope this message finds everyone here well. I am... (show quote)


As read several others would feel the same way, while I seldom post photos here it's because it tends to be tedious IMHO, I have posted a series in the past, right now I'm rebuilding my Flickr pages if anyone is interested, BobM_NY, also on Tumblr , Tumblr URL: bobmccullochny.tumblr.com, If time permits I'll try to post the next series here also, Bob.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:05:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
billnikon wrote:
HA HA HA. Oh, that's rich. A photography site for photographers WITHOUT any posted images. What a joke.
The truth is most folks who are here will NOT post their images, cause they are not good enough to post. They are just TALKING HEADS with no real photographic skills.


True for some, but not all.

We each have a <different> perception of how UHH should work, and its purpose.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:10:05   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Moshe, did you know there are more than 40 "specialty" sections on UHH, all volunteer-managed? Critique Forum is one of them. So is For Your Consideration, which was originally envisioned to be about thoughtful conversation, constructive feedback and support of learning.

Most specialty sections are currently languishing, partly due to new members not being automatically subscribed, partly due to key members moving on (or dying), but mosty due to the popularity of Photo Gallery as a social sharing site and Main Discussion as the preferred place to rant, criticize and rave (about gear).

You might want to contact the managers of For Your Consideration to offer your assistance in helping rebuild membership and participation. Their welcome page:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-474354-1.html

.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:11:33   #
BebuLamar
 
billnikon wrote:
HA HA HA. Oh, that's rich. A photography site for photographers WITHOUT any posted images. What a joke.
The truth is most folks who are here will NOT post their images, cause they are not good enough to post. They are just TALKING HEADS with no real photographic skills.


This is the main photography forum and posting images will get moved to the gallery.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:14:14   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
BebuLamar wrote:
This is the main photography forum and posting images will get moved to the gallery.
Depends on the topic's purpose. See:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-777336-1.html
and
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-764109-1.html

.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:18:24   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
BebuLamar wrote:
This is the main photography forum and posting images will get moved to the gallery.


Not true if the image is posted as a response to another persons post.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:20:10   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
billnikon wrote:
HA HA HA. Oh, that's rich. A photography site for photographers WITHOUT any posted images.


Oooh! I didn't realize I said that!

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Oct 20, 2023 09:22:14   #
BebuLamar
 
billnikon wrote:
Not true if the image is posted as a response to another persons post.


Any way I don't want to show anyone my images nor looking at anyone's images.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:28:20   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
It's call freedom of speech. We do what we want. In my case never thought mine was better than yours.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:37:06   #
Canisdirus
 
I only show B roll images...never a finished product.

This isn't school...I don't have to show my work to anyone.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:37:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
billnikon wrote:
Not true if the image is posted as a response to another persons post.
Depends on the topic's purpose. See:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-777336-1.html
and
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-764109-1.html

.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:45:18   #
srt101fan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Any way I don't want to show anyone my images nor looking at anyone's images.


You don’t have to, of course, but can you give us your reasons?

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Oct 20, 2023 09:47:46   #
BebuLamar
 
srt101fan wrote:
You don’t have to, of course, but can you give us your reasons?


I only enjoy my own images, good or bad. I don't think anyone would be interested in my images (just like I am not interested in others) and thus I never show to anyone. The only ones got shown to others were the ones I took but my wife told me to give to her so she can show to others.

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Oct 20, 2023 09:58:50   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
When I first came to UHH I thought it was a photo sharing network. That's how I have thought of it ever since, and how I describe it when talking to people about where and what I do with my photos. I guess I will have to re-assess my thoughts on this.
I enjoy sharing my photos and I enjoy seeing others photos. That's what I'm here for. I do enjoy some of the conversations that come up, but that is always as a secondary consideration. I'm not a gear expert. And not even close to an expert on the computer side of digital photography. I don't understand very much of that, and really don't want to except when something wonky happens that I have to engage with to be able to get back to what's important, which is the photography.
I do agree completely with the original poster, Moshe, when he says that taking criticism from someone who doesn't post photographs just doesn't work very well for me.

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