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May 7, 2023 08:45:30   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yup! It is becoming fashionable, people living useless lives going out with a bang, too bad that they don't start their shooting sprees with a bullet to their own head.


It is thought that some of these gunmen are committing the suicide by cop because they don't have the courage to do it to themselves. All the more reason to to control who has a gun. No a gun doesn't k**l people but a person with a gun does. More guns more dead.

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May 7, 2023 08:55:27   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Thank you, NRA, GOP, just another day and another mass shooting in America. Where was the good guy with the gun? Do you really not understand that the person slaughtered could have been your loved one,
maybe your child?

Update: 9 dead



https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

Murder rates are far higher in Trump-v****g red states than Biden-v****g blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

For example, Jacksonville, a city with a Republican mayor, had 128 more murders in 2020 than San Francisco, a city with a Democrat mayor, despite their comparable populations. In fact, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield, a city with a Republican mayor that overwhelmingly v**ed for Trump. Yet there is barely a whisper, let alone an outcry, over the stunning levels of murders in these and other places.


And... for those like cracmanaz, these are NOT my words. They are taken right out of the link provided. People like cracmanaz should be able to catch the difference as I did not correct the spelling of Chump's name in the quote.

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May 7, 2023 08:57:34   #
FrumCA
 

Factor in a flip side argument such as the millions George Soros pours into democrat congressmen/women and Senators to support their liberal causes and you might have a valid argument.

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May 7, 2023 09:02:35   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
FrumCA wrote:
Factor in a flip side argument such as the millions George Soros pours into democrat congressmen/women and Senators to support their liberal for causes and you might have a valid argument.


There you go, can you show me where George Soros has anything to do with Mass Murders in the USA?

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May 7, 2023 09:05:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Haenzel wrote:
Suppose you are the target, you are one of the good guys with a gun. The offender shoots you in the back. Did carrying a gun prevent you from an early journey into the after world? How many more could the offender have shut down before he was taken out by a good guy? How many innocent people will be hit by 'friendly' fire from good guys? Will the good guys see the difference between a bad guy and another good guy or even an officer out of uniform? I bet the number of casualties will only grow. You might be trained to handle a gun, but that won't do. I could give you more examples why it's a bad idea to bring more guns in public places and let civilians take over from the professionals...

That's not the solution...Why is it people have such a short temper? Why do these things happen so often in your country? Think about that. I think I might have the answer but not being part of your society I think it's best to remain silent...
Suppose you are the target, you are one of the goo... (show quote)


You are creating scenarios to suit your agenda. There are numerous cases on record where a good guy with a gun actually did k**l a a bad guy with a gun. Of course you can be carrying a gun and maybe the first one k**led. But to ASSUME as you seem to do that the good guy(s) with a gun will be k**led and become useless is not realistic. MORE guns but in the hands of honest law abiding citizens can hardly be a bad thing, can it?

I carry a handgun almost everywhere I go. I don't carry because I am scared and don't carry because I want to shoot anyone for any reason. I carry because IF at some point in my travels I happen to be in a situation where I can put it to good use to stop an act of violence, I have it. Otherwise it never gets drawn, never noticed in years of carrying.

Dennis

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May 7, 2023 09:07:02   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Dumb argument, for one I would not have open carry but concealed firearm. Also, there is a much better chance of the shooter being taken down by an armed citizen than if there are no armed citizens in the vicinity. Your argument makes no sense, you are implying that no armed citizen would be just as ineffective as an armed citizen that could take down the bad guy. The rest of your thoughtless argument is just pure ignorance.


I completely agree with you about open carry. It serves no good purpose to let others see you are carrying a handgun. It frightens some people and lets the bad guns know who is carrying and who is not. THAT is the person taken out first. Better to just carry and not let anyone know until it is needed.

Dennis

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May 7, 2023 09:11:15   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Haenzel wrote:
There is a far less possibility to get shot down in an environment where arms in public areas are not allowed.
Statistics don't lie...The problem has grown so huge in the US, you're not going to control this in near future. Thanks 2nd amendment, thanks NRA, thanks (bribed) politicians !!! Follow the money...


Look at your comment. Then tell us what the hell has the Left done to prevent gun violence. Tell us some law they want to implement that would have EVER stopped a crime, would stop any crimes of violence in the future. Every law you want to propose will do NOTHING to stop murders. Yet you persist in doing SOMETHING even if it results in NOTHING. Your side only wants to create Feel Good moments KNOWING those new laws, those firearms now BANNED would have absolutely no effect on the use of firearms by criminals or crazies.

We don't need Feel Good moments. We need a change back to the culture we used to have where criminals were punished for their lawlessness rather than let out of prison early to commit more crimes.

Dennis

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May 7, 2023 09:12:24   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dpullum wrote:
Taking a person down has a lot of legal liabilities attached and someone may take you down thinking you are also a bad guy because you have a gun in your hand.


So then your idea is to do NOTHING to prevent crime, just let the evil doers do what they do and then don't even prosecute them which is what the Left is doing today.

Dennis

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May 7, 2023 09:13:11   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
gorgehiker wrote:
The NRA and gun manufacturers love fools like you.


Common sense eludes you doesn't it?

Dennis

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May 7, 2023 09:15:33   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
steve03 wrote:
It is thought that some of these gunmen are committing the suicide by cop because they don't have the courage to do it to themselves. All the more reason to to control who has a gun. No a gun doesn't k**l people but a person with a gun does. More guns more dead.


Maybe it is time for the Left to start blaming the person or take a look at what made the person do the k*****g than blame the firearm. Surely you know from all these posts that it is the firearm(s) you on the Left want to regulate rather than the murderer.

Dennis

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May 7, 2023 09:59:36   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Haenzel wrote:
Suppose you are the target, you are one of the good guys with a gun. The offender shoots you in the back. Did carrying a gun prevent you from an early journey into the after world? How many more could the offender have shut down before he was taken out by a good guy? How many innocent people will be hit by 'friendly' fire from good guys? Will the good guys see the difference between a bad guy and another good guy or even an officer out of uniform? I bet the number of casualties will only grow. You might be trained to handle a gun, but that won't do. I could give you more examples why it's a bad idea to bring more guns in public places and let civilians take over from the professionals...

That's not the solution...Why is it people have such a short temper? Why do these things happen so often in your country? Think about that. I think I might have the answer but not being part of your society I think it's best to remain silent...
Suppose you are the target, you are one of the goo... (show quote)


thanks..wish the canucks had your attitude about being silent about things that dont concern them

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May 7, 2023 10:25:36   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
Haenzel wrote:
There is a far less possibility to get shot down in an environment where arms in public areas are not allowed.


Yes, because we know criminals are going to abide by the restrictions and not bring their guns into that public area. SMH

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May 7, 2023 10:34:31   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Look at your comment. Then tell us what the hell has the Left done to prevent gun violence. Tell us some law they want to implement that would have EVER stopped a crime, would stop any crimes of violence in the future. Every law you want to propose will do NOTHING to stop murders. Yet you persist in doing SOMETHING even if it results in NOTHING. Your side only wants to create Feel Good moments KNOWING those new laws, those firearms now BANNED would have absolutely no effect on the use of firearms by criminals or crazies.

We don't need Feel Good moments. We need a change back to the culture we used to have where criminals were punished for their lawlessness rather than let out of prison early to commit more crimes.

Dennis
Look at your comment. Then tell us what the hell ... (show quote)


Sorry, but over here we don't think left or right the way you do. Why? Because we don't have a stupid 2 party system, a system that's only dividing people and causing people to not listen to the other side. I think that's the source of your problems. Respect for each other's opinion and understanding each other are key for a healthy society......

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May 7, 2023 10:42:16   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
There are more than 25,000 gun laws. Unfortunately guns are inanimate objects and can't read the laws so they don't obey them. Perhaps it is time for more bad people/criminals laws. Perhaps it is time for the left to stop making excuses for criminals and resisting sensible laws that would reduce crime. Perhaps it is time to stop blaming honest citizens and objects and begin to blame criminals and bad laws.

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May 7, 2023 10:48:27   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
Haenzel wrote:
Because we don't have a stupid 2 party system


So what stupid system do you have?

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