Nikon DSLR (Page 3): It was VERY clear that the Z bodies, when they were first introduced, that there would NOT BE any internal focusing motor in any Z body. I guess you completely...

cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA

It was VERY clear that the Z bodies, when they were first introduced, that there would NOT BE any internal focusing motor in any Z body. I guess you completely missed that! My personal guess is that to save weight and bulk, these motors, which were only useful for long replaced lenses, were left out. Personally, I agree with that decision. My current bag includes 4 Z bodies and 14 Z lenses, along with a few lenses not yet available in a Z model, like the 500PF. Pretend what you want to pretend, and feel free to never buy a Z body. Our difference is that your information comes from reading and mine from actual use.

BebuLamar

Even before Nikon introduced the Z body I wouldn't expect the adapter would support all functions either. The reason?
1. Nikon finally introduced the E type lenses for the F mount which doesn't require any mechanical coupling from the body. So it makes sense that they would do the same with the Z mount.
2. Without any mechanical coupling the adapter has to provide 2 mechanical couplings to fully support all the lenses. To do so there would be way to much mechanical in the adapter.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

cjc2 wrote:

It was VERY clear that the Z bodies, when they wer... (show quote)

Jesus. I didn't miss anything.

I'm so glad you were able to accrue actual use before you bought the hardware. I depended on what the Nikon literature said. And they certainly were not up front about it. Many people were surprised about it at the time. I would have bought the Z anyway, as would others, so there was no need for them to be vague about it.

But obscuring significant shortcomings in the marketing literature, is not a good way to engender public trust in the company's future releases.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

JD750 wrote:

Right and a HUGE oversight by Nikon making dozens of useful lenses all but useless on the Z-camera. That was after promising the ability to use older lenses with no loss in function. I call loss of Autofocus a significant loss of function.

They made these decisions long long ago, maintaining their "upward compatible" F-mount well past when it should have been replaced with an all-electronic solution. All electronic solutions, like Canon's 1980s revolutionary EOS / EF-mount, continue to pay dividends as camera technology continues to march forward in the 21st century. Backwards compatibility used to be Nikon's strength, but now it's Canon's.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

larryepage wrote:

Some of those are pretty desirable too. They are smaller and lighter than their replacements. Folks that use the pop-up flash especially like them once they learn the secret, because they are less likely to make a shadow in the bottom of the frame.

Hopefully, in 30 years from now, we'll still be hearing from the DSLRinosaurs about how upset they were back in the day when so many of their great Nikon AF-capable lenses were rendered MF by the Z-mount....

BebuLamar

CHG_CANON wrote:

Hopefully, in 30 years from now, we'll still be hearing from the DSLRinosaurs about how upset they were back in the day when so many of their great Nikon AF-capable lenses were rendered MF by the Z-mount....

Some company make an adapter that can AF MF lenses for the Nikon Z mount.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

CHG_CANON wrote:

Hopefully, in 30 years from now, we'll still be hearing from the DSLRinosaurs about how upset they were back in the day when so many of their great Nikon AF-capable lenses were rendered MF by the Z-mount....

I’m still hearing from some at the Pentax Forum how they were abandoned by Canon back in 1987(?) when Canon introduced the FE-mount without providing some sort bridge for those who had FD-mount lenses. I hear that whenever I comment how quiet my Canon EOS Elan {that I purchased in 1995} was.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

rehess wrote:

I’m still hearing from some at the Pentax Forum how they were abandoned by Canon back in 1987(?) when Canon introduced the FE-mount without providing some sort bridge for those who had FD-mount lenses. I hear that whenever I comment how quiet my Canon EOS Elan {that I purchased in 1995} was.

And you don't hear any complaints from the happy EOS owners who have every EF lens ever, from October 1987 onward, working flawlessly on their new EOS mirrorless cameras. Even the FD holdouts are happy with their FD lenses mounted to mirrorless cameras, picking up IBIS support and focusing aides that put all MF cameras to shame. Anyone still wasting 35mm film with MF bodies and out of focus results needs to wake up and join the 21st century. The Nikon DSLRinosaurs will now have to eat the crow they've been serving for 30 years ....

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

Or, instead of whining and moaning, they can just do a little research, exert the effort to understand what works and what doesn't, and move forward instead of living life looking backward.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

BebuLamar wrote:

Some company make an adapter that can AF MF lenses for the Nikon Z mount.

I have searched and no luck. Who? Please provide a link!

BebuLamar

JD750 wrote:

I have searched and no luck. Who? Please provide a link!

It's Tony Northrup said so. I am not sure because I didn't watch the whole video. But it's here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ejnUjfG7kE

JD750 Loc: SoCal

BebuLamar wrote:

It's Tony Northrup said so. I am not sure because I didn't watch the whole video. But it's here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ejnUjfG7kE

Thanks for the link. I will suffer through it and report back results.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

CHG_CANON wrote:

And you don't hear any complaints from the happy E... (show quote)

Yep. One of the reasons I went with Nikon many moons ago was for the lens compatibility, and look what they did, they messed it all up. Does that crow go better with some bbq sauce?

Well clearly in Nikon's view, the FTZ is just a stopgap for customers until they can get the Z-line filled out. Ultimately we are all expected to re-buy Z lenses that are the same focal lengths and apertures as our old F lenses! Where are the new innovative lenses? How about a 24-100 f2.8 S lens? That would be great. But never mind that, the Z lenses are new and better and most importantly, designed to keep Nikon afloat financially. I hope it works.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

JD750 wrote:

Yep. One of the reasons I went with Nikon many mo... (show quote)

In fairness to Nikon, it's only their oldest and best customers, holding onto old AF-capable lenses from before Nikon achieved AF-S technology, and long after Canon had left Nikon in the global dust. This remnant population is probably smaller now than Canon's FD owners in the late 80s who had no option other than to buy new equipment.

BebuLamar

JD750 wrote:

Yep. One of the reasons I went with Nikon many mo... (show quote)

When I bought my first Nikon in 1977, Nikon already had a lens incompatibiliy issue that year. Nikon introduced the AI lenses and although the new AI lenses can be used on older cameras the lenses made before that wouldn't meter on camera made after that year. You would have to send the lens to Nikon for a retrofit.
When Nikon introduced the Nikon FA there was another incompatibility issue. The standard AI lenses would work with the FA but it has to redo the meter after stopping down and adjust the shutter speed. So Nikon had the new version of the lenses called AI-S. So although I am a long time Nikon user and like the Nikon they do have a lot of lens incompatibility issues.