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Nov 29, 2022 22:25:53   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
A. T. wrote:
I am a native Texan who has a concealed carry permit and I stay away from states that don't honor my carry permit for that reason. Police can't be everywhere and those states that allow criminals to rob people and prohibit victims from protecting themselves are places that I avoid. Oregon, New York, Chicago and California are states that don't deserve my visitor money so I avoid them. Those are also states that have very high crime rates.....go figure.


I am certainly NOT against gun ownership or the Second amendment but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Texas also has the dubious honor of having the second highest number of mass shootings in the country.

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Nov 29, 2022 22:52:16   #
gwilliams6
 
A. T. wrote:
I am a native Texan who has a concealed carry permit and I stay away from states that don't honor my carry permit for that reason. Police can't be everywhere and those states that allow criminals to rob people and prohibit victims from protecting themselves are places that I avoid. Oregon, New York, Chicago and California are states that don't deserve my visitor money so I avoid them. Those are also states that have very high crime rates.....go figure.


Not sure if your comment and mine here will violate the politics ban here in UHH. I now live in Texas, near Dallas, but I have lived all over the USA from west to east, California to New York.

As a news photojournalist for over four decades I have seen too many criminal acts and covered too many sad stories and sad funerals of innocent civilians, adults and kids killed in accidental crossfires, mass shootings, or just private gun accidents.

What this world does not need is more civilians shooting it out on the streets with criminals, that should be left to licensed and trained professional law enforcement. Protecting from intruders inside your home is one thing, but many of these robberies are taking place outdoors where innocent civilians are at risk from any gunfire. FYI, I have worked with the Police on many undercover stings and operations as a photojournalist over the decades, and I have a few decorated career law enforcement officers in my extended family.

The fact that almost everyone in Texas carries a gun and can carry them almost anywhere makes my feel far less safe than I did living and traveling in most other states and countries, and I have faced live gunfire on the streets of the USA and in foreign war conflicts doing my job as a photojournalist. That is a risk I signed up for as a photojournalist, but civilians shouldn't be victims, innocent , accidentally or on purpose from carriers of the estimated nearly 350 million guns in private hands in our country. Just check the news any week in the USA, sadly.

More guns in civilian hands carried on the open streets is NOT the answer to these robberies. IMHO.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 30, 2022 01:45:21   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Not sure if your comment and mine here will violate the politics ban here in UHH. I now live in Texas, near Dallas, but I have lived all over the USA from west to east, California to New York.

As a news photojournalist for over four decades I have seen too many criminal acts and covered too many sad stories and sad funerals of innocent civilians, adults and kids killed in accidental crossfires, mass shootings, or just private gun accidents.

What this world does not need is more civilians shooting it out on the streets with criminals, that should be left to licensed and trained professional law enforcement. Protecting from intruders inside your home is one thing, but many of these robberies are taking place outdoors where innocent civilians are at risk from any gunfire. FYI, I have worked with the Police on many undercover stings and operations as a photojournalist over the decades, and I have a few decorated career law enforcement officers in my extended family.

The fact that almost everyone in Texas carries a gun and can carry them almost anywhere makes my feel far less safe than I did living and traveling in most other states and countries, and I have faced live gunfire on the streets of the USA and in foreign war conflicts doing my job as a photojournalist. That is a risk I signed up for as a photojournalist, but civilians shouldn't be victims, innocent , accidentally or on purpose from carriers of the estimated nearly 350 million guns in private hands in our country. Just check the news any week in the USA, sadly.

More guns in civilian hands carried on the open streets is NOT the answer to these robberies. IMHO.

Cheers and best to you.
Not sure if your comment and mine here will violat... (show quote)


Just like a camera, it is not only about owning but more important, being good at using the tool. One may have the latest priciest Leica but still shoot crap images just like a some police officers shooting their own teammates or soldier receiving their own artillery.

Lucky you are folks for having the 2nd to ensure you have the chance. The real problem is degradation of character, both the criminal and many of the legal gun owners.

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Nov 30, 2022 06:09:41   #
2001vermont
 
Well said!

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Nov 30, 2022 06:10:16   #
2001vermont
 
Luft93 wrote:
My Leica M10 Monochrom with one lens and a stack of filters: $15,000.Fantastic, incredible capability. The M10-R is nowhere near as special at the same price. Bought in 1954 for about $250 at military exchange my first issue M3 served well for 55 years. The refurbish lens is on the -R.
It is easy to make smart-Alec remarks critical of things one imagines. Leitz have long been in a category of their own, yes, recent decades of external associations have probably negatively impacted their cachet but the pure product earns its cost.
My Leica M10 Monochrom with one lens and a stack ... (show quote)


Well said!

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Nov 30, 2022 07:33:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
wmurnahan wrote:
Saw where the Leica store in San Fran was robbed. Got away with 180K in equipment, which considering Leica prices, was probably 4 cameras.


I was going to say two cameras.

It could be difficult disposing of whatever they stole. Leica uses serial numbers, right? Maybe I should check eBay. : )

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Nov 30, 2022 07:38:19   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Why do we drive Ferraris, write with Montblanc pens, wear Rollex watches and shoot pictures with Leica cameras? Because we can. Objections?

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Nov 30, 2022 07:56:31   #
Bigmike1 Loc: I am from Gaffney, S.C. but live in Utah.
 
Leica has always been beyond my ability to pay for and own. They do set the standard in the camera world. I wouldn't mind having one for my collection.

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Nov 30, 2022 09:18:17   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Not sure if your comment and mine here will violate the politics ban here in UHH. I now live in Texas, near Dallas, but I have lived all over the USA from west to east, California to New York.

As a news photojournalist for over four decades I have seen too many criminal acts and covered too many sad stories and sad funerals of innocent civilians, adults and kids killed in accidental crossfires, mass shootings, or just private gun accidents.

What this world does not need is more civilians shooting it out on the streets with criminals, that should be left to licensed and trained professional law enforcement. Protecting from intruders inside your home is one thing, but many of these robberies are taking place outdoors where innocent civilians are at risk from any gunfire. FYI, I have worked with the Police on many undercover stings and operations as a photojournalist over the decades, and I have a few decorated career law enforcement officers in my extended family.

The fact that almost everyone in Texas carries a gun and can carry them almost anywhere makes my feel far less safe than I did living and traveling in most other states and countries, and I have faced live gunfire on the streets of the USA and in foreign war conflicts doing my job as a photojournalist. That is a risk I signed up for as a photojournalist, but civilians shouldn't be victims, innocent , accidentally or on purpose from carriers of the estimated nearly 350 million guns in private hands in our country. Just check the news any week in the USA, sadly.

More guns in civilian hands carried on the open streets is NOT the answer to these robberies. IMHO.

Cheers and best to you.
Not sure if your comment and mine here will violat... (show quote)


When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....

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Nov 30, 2022 09:25:17   #
A. T.
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Not sure if your comment and mine here will violate the politics ban here in UHH. I now live in Texas, near Dallas, but I have lived all over the USA from west to east, California to New York.

As a news photojournalist for over four decades I have seen too many criminal acts and covered too many sad stories and sad funerals of innocent civilians, adults and kids killed in accidental crossfires, mass shootings, or just private gun accidents.

What this world does not need is more civilians shooting it out on the streets with criminals, that should be left to licensed and trained professional law enforcement. Protecting from intruders inside your home is one thing, but many of these robberies are taking place outdoors where innocent civilians are at risk from any gunfire. FYI, I have worked with the Police on many undercover stings and operations as a photojournalist over the decades, and I have a few decorated career law enforcement officers in my extended family.

The fact that almost everyone in Texas carries a gun and can carry them almost anywhere makes my feel far less safe than I did living and traveling in most other states and countries, and I have faced live gunfire on the streets of the USA and in foreign war conflicts doing my job as a photojournalist. That is a risk I signed up for as a photojournalist, but civilians shouldn't be victims, innocent , accidentally or on purpose from carriers of the estimated nearly 350 million guns in private hands in our country. Just check the news any week in the USA, sadly.

More guns in civilian hands carried on the open streets is NOT the answer to these robberies. IMHO.

Cheers and best to you.
Not sure if your comment and mine here will violat... (show quote)


I respect your opinion.

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Nov 30, 2022 09:28:26   #
A. T.
 
moonhawk wrote:
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....


Absolutely, exactly my point.

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Nov 30, 2022 10:20:29   #
A. T.
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I am certainly NOT against gun ownership or the Second amendment but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Texas also has the dubious honor of having the second highest number of mass shootings in the country.


Yep, and that's exactly why I carry.

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Nov 30, 2022 10:32:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
moonhawk wrote:
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....



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Nov 30, 2022 12:14:25   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
A. T. wrote:
Yep, and that's exactly why I carry.


Believe it or not, it isn't particularly difficult to get a concealed carry permit in California. This is a result of some court decision a few years ago. The Sheriffs in many rural counties basically rubber stamp the applications.

Having said that, guns should not play any role in these smash and grab robberies. In California, you can only use a gun to defend yourself if your are in imminent danger and have no exit. Also, you can't use a gun to defend property. The best thing to do if you're in a store that is being victimized like this is call the cops and then use your phone to take video to help the cops identify the perpetrators.

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Nov 30, 2022 12:34:43   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Luft93 wrote:
My Leica M10 Monochrom with one lens and a stack of filters: $15,000.Fantastic, incredible capability. The M10-R is nowhere near as special at the same price. Bought in 1954 for about $250 at military exchange my first issue M3 served well for 55 years. The refurbish lens is on the -R.
It is easy to make smart-Alec remarks critical of things one imagines. Leitz have long been in a category of their own, yes, recent decades of external associations have probably negatively impacted their cachet but the pure product earns its cost.
My Leica M10 Monochrom with one lens and a stack ... (show quote)


Leica is a great camera, ridiculous prices though. Nobody needs such an expensive camera to make wonderful images. I have nothing against Leica, they are very well built and their lenses are well known to professionals. Sebastiao Salgado, well known Brazilian photographer has used Leica for most of his life. All of a sudden he is using Canon gear now.

I have seen many images made with Ernst Leitz lenses and I tell you the same quality of images can be made with any modern camera and equal lenses. The majority of the best images that have been made in our planet have been made with Nikon and Canon cameras. In 1957 Nikon introduced the Nikon SP, a great rangefinder camera that was immediately accepted by professionals. No, it was not better than let's say a Leica M3 but for a fraction of the price it made similar images and its durability was never questioned. After the late David Douglas Duncan returned from covering the Korean War he introduced Nikon lenses to Life magazine, as a matter of fact Life has been publishing without knowing it images made with Nikon lenses he sent while on assignment. One year later all photographers at Life magazine were using Nikon cameras and lenses.

My experience shooting since 2002 with Olympus cameras with Zuiko and Panasonic lenses could have not been better. I do not usually enlarge beyond 12x18 inches but I have seen huge enlargements from Zuiko lenses and all of the details recorded by the lens were there. I do not happen to see often photographers shooting with Leica, I simply do not see them. Leica cameras sell, no question about it but I continue to believe I can do with my Nikons and Olympus similar images without spending a fortune. Leica was near bankruptcy I believe in the late 80's. They began to work with Minolta and eventually with Panasonic. I believe in one occasion they had conversations with Tamron to make lenses for their cameras although I do not know what was the outcome of those conversations.

I am perfectly fine with what I have.

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