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Oct 28, 2022 13:13:07   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
usnpilot wrote:
By nowI am sure that you have all heard what Ian did to Southwest Florida. We were in a direct hit in a huge cat 4 hurricane. Many people will not have power orInternet until the first of the year. Sanabel island was basically reduced to a wasteland. One of the first things the Sanibel fire department dead when they were allowed back on the island was to remove over 200 EV vehicles for fear of fire or explosions. I don’t see that promoting on the main news media. Enjoy your EV car and make sure your fire insurance is up-to-date
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Were you on Sanibel? I have a friend who lost quite a few trees. He had a nice setup until the hurricane hit. His daughter's business was totally wiped out. I don't know what she'll do for income going forward.

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Oct 28, 2022 13:16:15   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
Haenzel wrote:
I know, but the entire West Coast was predicted to be in danger of flooding a week in advance?

Must have been hard. In 1996 I spent a 3 weeks holiday in Tampa area. I still remember we visited Sanibel Island by ferry. Beautiful island. Watching the footage now makes me feel sad. What a massive destruction...


And the causeway which is the only way on and off the island except by boat crashed into the gulf in three different places. Thanks to our Republican governor they had it repaired in three weeks. We had no danger of flooding a week before the storm hit actually a mandatory evacuation was not issued until 24 hours before the storm hit that is how questionable the landing was.

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Oct 28, 2022 13:20:02   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
SteveR wrote:
Were you on Sanibel? I have a friend who lost quite a few trees. He had a nice setup until the hurricane hit. His daughter's business was totally wiped out. I don't know what she'll do for income going forward.


No, we live by the Caloosahatchee river about 7 miles from the island.

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Oct 28, 2022 15:24:15   #
srg
 
usnpilot wrote:
Probably because they are i***ts


If only i***ts pushed for new technology, you would be driving a horse and buggy and shooting photos with a pinhole camera. Speaking of pinholes.... your mind......

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Oct 28, 2022 15:41:51   #
usnpilot Loc: Ft Myers Fl
 
srg wrote:
If only i***ts pushed for new technology, you would be driving a horse and buggy and shooting photos with a pinhole camera. Speaking of pinholes.... your mind......


This has nothing to do with new technology, various forms of batteries have been around for decades. The problem is that the i***t Democrats want everyone to own an EV car when the electrical grid in a lot of states cannot handle it especially your liberal home-field of California. In our recent hurricane which happened four weeks and two days ago there are large number of people still do not have electricity. Are you going to bring power generator down here to get the car so they can do wh**ever they have to do, like buy groceries. Yes what does those generators are going to be powered by.

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Oct 28, 2022 15:44:46   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
When Internal Combustion Engines catch on fire, they are usually running, which means they are usually attended. When you consider how many ICE engines are operating in the United States on a daily basis, your statistics lose some of their sting. As someone who used to help his sons race RC cars and has seen small Li battery fires, I can tell you that they are a force to be reckoned with. We charged and stored our batteries in steel boxes because you could never be sure they wouldn't go up in flames. If I'm ever forced to rely on an EV as my only source of t***sportation, I guarantee I will never have it under roof.

As for EV Car batteries in the aftermath of a storm, I don't think waterproof is proof enough. Often items not only get flooded, they get banged around. Removing the EVs after the storm was a smart precaution.
When Internal Combustion Engines catch on fire, th... (show quote)


Good and rational well written point of view with wording of a scholar.

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Oct 28, 2022 15:55:48   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
srg wrote:
If only i***ts pushed for new technology, you would be driving a horse and buggy and shooting photos with a pinhole camera. Speaking of pinholes.... your mind......


The liberal mindset is to jump on the EV technology and push it along with regulations, tax credits, and mandates, thinking that manufacturers will quickly resolve all the nagging issues. On the green balance sheet, they only crow about the positives and don't think about the negatives and the lack of infrastructure.

For comparison, the first digital cameras came out in the late '80s. The D100 was on the market in early 2000s. When digital cameras came out, how long did it take for Wedding photographers to switch over. You know, the guys with the thankless jobs of having to get all those shots and being in a world of hurt if they missed them. It took quite a while and for many different reasons. And yet, I would venture to say that every wedding shot this Saturday will be with a digital camera and it's been that way for quite a while.

EVs have a future, but right now it would be madness to mandate them in any fashion. Imagine both the north and southbound lanes of I95 crowded with traffic heading north and every single car being an EV with a sub-400-mile range.

I wonder how soon every vehicle in the president's motorcade is going to be electric? 2050?

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Oct 28, 2022 16:41:29   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
What I see is a pompous person trying to sound intelligent and thinking everyone will buy it. Fact is the batteries in these cars do have the possibility of blowing up or catching fire under certain circumstances. That is fact.

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Oct 28, 2022 17:19:14   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
scooter1 wrote:
What I see is a pompous person trying to sound intelligent and thinking everyone will buy it. Fact is the batteries in these cars do have the possibility of blowing up or catching fire under certain circumstances. That is fact.


Yep, same with gasoline. Remember the small ford with the gas tank at the very rear... wow!

"pompous person trying to sound intelligent and thinking everyone will buy it." Well Scooter, some people are intelligent and if they discuss things with facts they may sound "pompous" to you. Which people were you talking about?

"Pompous, meaning excessively elevated or ornate pompous rhetoric" Using multi-syllable words and punctuation in sentences... is that what you mean?

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Oct 28, 2022 20:35:34   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
dpullum wrote:
Yep, same with gasoline. Remember the small ford with the gas tank at the very rear... wow!

"pompous person trying to sound intelligent and thinking everyone will buy it." Well Scooter, some people are intelligent and if they discuss things with facts they may sound "pompous" to you. Which people were you talking about?

"Pompous, meaning excessively elevated or ornate pompous rhetoric" Using multi-syllable words and punctuation in sentences... is that what you mean?
Yep, same with gasoline. Remember the small ford ... (show quote)


Boy just can't fool you. The gas tank in the rear infected a few vehicles until they figured out if you get rear ended it has the possibility to explode. The tank being in the rear was not the cause, the fact that it was rear ended is. The batteries I suppose could explode then but that is not what they are talking about. The batteries are just unsafe in certain conditions caused by nature not a collision.

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Oct 28, 2022 22:22:32   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
tradio wrote:
So why are the dims pushing so hard for a technology that is not ready for mainstream?


Anything to divide and destroy America. I'm not against ev cars just think a t***sition should be sensible. EV in my personal opinion is not the answer just because of the mineral requirements and energy needed to produce them.

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Oct 29, 2022 03:35:38   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Anything to divide and destroy America. I'm not against ev cars just think a t***sition should be sensible. EV in my personal opinion is not the answer just because of the mineral requirements and energy needed to produce them.


I think you're right. But I don't think we've seen the latest in EV development and it's power source. New type of batteries are being developed. I see a future in smaller battery packs with an onboard (clean) generator to charge the battery cells.

Up north a company has t***sformed a Tesla in a Hesla. A Hydrogen cell is charging the battery whilst driving, doubling the range of the Hesla.

If you look back and see what development an internal combustion engine went through, I'm hopeful..

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Oct 29, 2022 06:07:39   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
TESLA and MUSK STARTED A NEW INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION HERE TO STAY AND TAKE OVER OUR ICE WORLD

OK, part of Tesla is EVs, but another part is storage of energy generated by any means at off peak need time. Big example is Australian Outback where sun shines and shines... solar is stored and released as needed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/australia-switches-on-victoria-big-battery-powered-by-tesla-megapacks.html

The battery systems are continuing to improve and the dendrites [crystal spears] that grew and shorted out anode/cathode are for the most part blocked by new design separators.
https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2020/se/d0se00027b

"Carbon membrane should help prevent dendrite forming in lithium-metal batteries. If that works, it brings the e-car closer to being able to drive 1,000 kilometers without recharging."
https://innovationorigins.com/en/university-of-jena-close-to-solution-for-dendrites-in-lithium-metal-batteries/

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Oct 29, 2022 08:29:29   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
Haenzel wrote:
I think you're right. But I don't think we've seen the latest in EV development and it's power source. New type of batteries are being developed. I see a future in smaller battery packs with an onboard (clean) generator to charge the battery cells.

Up north a company has t***sformed a Tesla in a Hesla. A Hydrogen cell is charging the battery whilst driving, doubling the range of the Hesla.

If you look back and see what development an internal combustion engine went through, I'm hopeful..
I think you're right. But I don't think we've seen... (show quote)


You have a good point. I wasn't thinking all the way thru the issue. Which honestly is not my style. I have battery tech in my feed and have read about some very promising technology. I was talking to a egghead buddy of mine about investing in battery technology and he said to wait the best is yet to come.

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Oct 29, 2022 10:37:14   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
usnpilot wrote:
By nowI am sure that you have all heard what Ian did to Southwest Florida. We were in a direct hit in a huge cat 4 hurricane. Many people will not have power orInternet until the first of the year. Sanabel island was basically reduced to a wasteland. One of the first things the Sanibel fire department dead when they were allowed back on the island was to remove over 200 EV vehicles for fear of fire or explosions. I don’t see that promoting on the main news media. Enjoy your EV car and make sure your fire insurance is up-to-date
By nowI am sure that you have all heard what Ian d... (show quote)


Many operators of towing companies refuse to put EVs on their roll-backs. If the vehicle it is t***sporting catches fire the roll-back is toast! Not many will risk their equipment just to carry the fadish EVs. How many EVs are in Florida?

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