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Sep 5, 2022 09:14:42   #
n4jee Loc: New Bern, NC
 
Think back to the 1950's. It was the quality of the glass that made both Nikon and Canon. Their bodies were just copies of German cameras. Even into the 60's and 70's no serious photographer would put third party glass on a Canon, Nikon or Pentax body. If you did, you got better pictures with a Brownie.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:18:16   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Let's say you spend many, many millions of dollars developing and designing a new camera mount and system and some other company came along and basically copied your design and started marketing products to your customers, the same products your company needs to sell to make up for the cost of designing and producing the new products. Would you do what you could to stop stop them, at least for a while? If Canon can't contain the knock off market at least until they have recouped their investment in the new EOS R system, they will be forced to increase prices. Canon isn't trying to stop Viltrox from manufacturing adapters, they are trying to stop them from making lenses that are reverse engineered. Canon spends the money developing and designing their RF series lenses and companies like Viltrox just steal the design and market their own products. I have nothing against Viltrox, I own several Viltrox adapters, including two EF to RF adapters. I understand why Canon is doing what they are. In protest, I will shoot my D850 today, along with my R7 and it's Viltrox adapted EF lens.
Let's say you spend many, many millions of dollars... (show quote)


Great points rmorrison!
The same thing applies to medicine and other items with patents.
I personally have no problems with people or companies coming up with unique idea$, attracting investor$, producing an item $, marketing an item $, $elling their product$, providing a co$tly one-year warranty, liberal return$, and hoping to at lea$t recoup their investment.
The marketplace will choose the winner$ and loser$, with either new or u$ed gla$$.
I feel your pain too, and I don't like the price$, but the wonderful technology does not come cheap with Sony, Nikon, Canon, etc.
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends

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Sep 5, 2022 09:19:23   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
george19 wrote:
With a new product genre with unknown demand, like personal computers in 1985, it sure looks like open source and competition was the way to go.

Apple held on, finally hitting its stride with iPod and iPhone, but that took about 20 years.

Lens configuration on an established product like a camera? Canon will figure it out soon enough. Maybe exclusivity will work, maybe not…but I doubt they’ll lose customers with established glass over this, and the price point on the new product will remain high because of low volume.
With a new product genre with unknown demand, like... (show quote)


High price point?
Let's see:
RF800mm $999.00
RF600mm $799.00
RF 100-400mm $649.00
RF 16mm $299.00
RF 24-105mm $399.00
RF 35mm Macro $499.00
RF 50mm f1.8 $199.00
RFS 18-150mm $499.00
RFS 18-45mm $299.00
RF 15-30mm $549.00
RF 24mm Macro $599.00

Where can you get an OEM 100-400mm for $649 or an 800mm with amazing AF and IS for $999 from any source

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Sep 5, 2022 09:20:21   #
BebuLamar
 
Jimmy T wrote:
Great points rmorrison!
The same thing applies to medicine and other items with patents.
I personally have no problems with people or companies coming up with unique idea$, attracting investor$, producing an item $, marketing an item $, $elling their product$, providing a co$tly one-year warranty, liberal return$, and hoping to at lea$t recoup their investment.
The marketplace will choose the winner$ and loser$, with either new or u$ed gla$$.
I feel your pain too, and I don't like the price$, but the wonderful technology does not come cheap with Sony, Nikon, Canon, etc.
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends
Great points rmorrison! br The same thing applies ... (show quote)


Well it's not like medicine. If I don't have money I wouldn't buy a camera or lens. If I don't have money and need the medicine it's kind of a tough thing isn't it. So camera manufacturers can prohibit copies and sell their stuff any price I don't care. But I do wish generic medicine is allowed. It's different that you're gouging people suffering from GAS vs suffering from diabetes.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:22:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bobbydvideo wrote:
They are overly expensive but the best out there.


Prove they are overly expensive.
Let's see:
RF800mm $999.00
RF600mm $799.00
RF 100-400mm $649.00
RF 16mm $299.00
RF 24-105mm $399.00
RF 35mm Macro $499.00
RF 50mm f1.8 $199.00
RFS 18-150mm $499.00
RFS 18-45mm $299.00
RF 15-30mm $549.00
RF 24mm Macro $599.00

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Sep 5, 2022 09:23:09   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. ... (show quote)


A lot of cameras have articulating screens. I’m not very fond of this feature. It always seems that the screen may snap off. As for being brand loyal I am too. I have have had other cameras (still do) but my go to cameras are still the AE-1, Rebel 2000, 1v-HS, and the 5D Mark IV.
It is hard to decide when third party lens manufacturers stop making specific mounts. But don’t give up. I’m sure that there will be a company eager to capitalize on that void.

By the way, if your dog loves a specific food or treat, do you throw the dog away if that food is no longer available? No, I hope. Just keep searching because the dog is loyal to you as you are to the dog.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:24:42   #
BebuLamar
 
Scruples wrote:
A lot of cameras have articulating screens. I’m not very fond of this feature. It always seems that the screen may snap off. As for being brand loyal I am too. I have have had other cameras (still do) but my go to cameras are still the AE-1, Rebel 2000, 1v-HS, and the 5D Mark IV.
It is hard to decide when third party lens manufacturers stop making specific mounts. But don’t give up. I’m sure that there will be a company eager to capitalize on that void.

By the way, if your dog loves a specific food or treat, do you throw the dog away if that food is no longer available? No, I hope. Just keep searching because the dog is loyal to you as you are to the dog.
A lot of cameras have articulating screens. I’m no... (show quote)


I only use the screen for menu and review images and thus articulating screen is not needed. I don't use for shooting.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:26:54   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
BebuLamar wrote:
How about third party body?


I have some third-party film bodies, but I've not gone that route with digital yet. There have been some in MFT that haven't been made by Olympus or Panasonic, many might consider these third party bodies.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:29:16   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well it's not like medicine. If I don't have money I wouldn't buy a camera or lens. If I don't have money and need the medicine it's kind of a tough thing isn't it. So camera manufacturers can prohibit copies and sell their stuff any price I don't care. But I do wish generic medicine is allowed. It's different that you're gouging people suffering from GAS vs suffering from diabetes.


How is it gouging?

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Sep 5, 2022 09:29:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bobbydvideo wrote:
They are overly expensive but the best out there.


Did Canon tell you that?

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Sep 5, 2022 09:30:06   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
I don't know what all the fuss is about, I shoot with EF glass on my R5 and get better than acceptable results.


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Sep 5, 2022 09:32:47   #
gwilliams6
 
n4jee wrote:
Think back to the 1950's. It was the quality of the glass that made both Nikon and Canon. Their bodies were just copies of German cameras. Even into the 60's and 70's no serious photographer would put third party glass on a Canon, Nikon or Pentax body. If you did, you got better pictures with a Brownie.


Stop living in the past.
I have been doing this as an amateur since the 60's and as a pro since the 70's and nowadays third-party lenses can equal and even sometimes surpass the optical quality and performance of OEM glass, just a proven fact.

I shot pro Nikon and Canon gear for over 40+ years (both brands) with some Leica use thrown in, and now shoot with Sony mirrorless and I own excellent lenses from Sony, but also from Sigma and Tamron. And my Sigma and Tamron lenses can fully resolve the sensors on my 61mp Sony A7RIV, and my 50mp sensor on my Sony A1.

It isn't your grandfather's photo world anymore. The new reality is that the best third-party lenses offer superb image quality, performance, and at often more affordable prices. Sony and Nikon get this and embrace it with open lens mounts. Canon doesn't get it and just wants all the RF lens sales, period.

Cheers and best to you.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:33:38   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
petrochemist wrote:
I have some third-party film bodies, but I've not gone that route with digital yet. There have been some in MFT that haven't been made by Olympus or Panasonic, many might consider these third party bodies.


Leicas are made by third parties that then slap a red dot on and charge 10X more for the red dot alone.
As the saying goes "A sucker is born......"

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Sep 5, 2022 09:36:57   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I don't know what all the fuss is about, I shoot with EF glass on my R5 and get better than acceptable results.



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Sep 5, 2022 09:38:14   #
BebuLamar
 
Architect1776 wrote:
How is it gouging?


I am not saying Canon is gouging but if they do I wouldn't care. Let the market fix them. But not so much on the medicine. People who buy medicine not so much because they want them. People wouldn't want free medicine if they are not sick.

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