SailAway Loc: Whitehall, Michigan

I really have no problem with Canon limiting who can make RF compatible glass. I suppose that is their right to do so. My problem comes from the fact that Canon did not announce its intention to so do prior to selling the new RF bodies. Had I know that, I would not have chosen Canon. I was lucky enough to get an 85mm RF glass from Rokinon, and a 14mm RF also. Both work very well. I do have three or four Canon RF lenses, and of course, they are good glass as well. So under the current marketing strategy from Canon, one either buys an EF to RF adapter and uses older glass (buy older glass), buys RF glass from Canon, buys older glass from other manufacturers and uses the EF to RF adapter, or decides that it isn't worth shooting Canon any longer and sells it all. Frankly, had Canon been up front about this, instead of the way it was handled, they would have not run into negative publicity from several well respected you tube professional photographer and from amateurs who are upset for not knowing in advance of their purchase. When it comes to Canon (great equipment and expensive) BUYER BEWARE. I am a Canon user, but not getting any deeper in that I already am.

gwilliams6

gwilliams6

Yes the worldwide reality and facts that some UHH Canon fans cant seem to accept is that YES folks around the world, and not just in the USA, have switched from Canon R cameras, or just have changed their minds about possibly Canon R camera purchases, and have chosen other brands for their mirrorless camera purchases due in large part to Canon's restrictions of third=party AF glass.

You were fortunate to get the few third-party RF lenses that made it to market before Canon imposed its ban, and they were pulled by dealers, and production was stopped by the makers.

Canon's business model is their choice, but it is hurting them in the mirrorless marketplace around the world, the mirrorless sales numbers from around the world are showing that, even if Canon fans here in UHH refuse to believe it. I hear it all the time from photographers around the world, beyond the UHH community.

Enjoy your gear, Cheers and best to you.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Canon has announced that the mount is now open.
Independents just need to meet Canon requirements and perhaps pay a royalty which is fair.
I see no complaints about Apple here and their policies.

gwilliams6

Again you have it wrong.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/9598441454/canon-says-rf-mount-is-open-to-third-party-manufacturers-but-don-t-get-your-hopes-up#:~:text=According%20to%20

"According to the new Camera Beta interview, Canon is open to requests for licensing the RF-mount to third parties. However, it doesn't just issue a blanket license for the outside manufacturer to make any and all lenses. Canon, instead, treats each third-party lens request on a case-by-case basis." LOL

This is PR face-saving by Canon as they know they are getting hammered around the world on this from Canon users, reviewers, youtubers and photographers, and it is affecting their sales of their R lineup.

Canon wont likely be licensing any third-party lenses that DIRECTLY compete with their top RF lenses. This is not the same as the open mounts like the E-mount where third-party lens makers are free to make lenses that directly compete with the best of the Sony E-mount lenses, and with lower prices , and they do.

IMHO, until Canon allows directly competitive third-party lenses that will give R users actual more affordable quality choices other than either cheap RF lenses or expensive better quality L series RF lenses, Canon will not be getting back buyers that have left for other brands that have truly open lens mounts. The experts are cautioning folks not to think Canon is truly opening up their RF lens mount.

Sorry Canon, but buyers dont trust your slight-of-hand PR move here. Let's see you approve Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Zeiss, Tokina, Viltrox, Meike and others to have a truly open and free hand on what RF lenses they want to produce to directly compete with your expensive RF lenses.

Don't hold your breathe waiting on Canon to do that. LOL

Cheers and best to you.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rxtKUcML-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ny63JXkiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWeURWdjgY4

https://www.techradar.com/news/its-finally-happening-canon-tipped-to-open-up-mirrorless-cameras-to-third-party-lenses

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-executives-address-third-party-rf-future/

http://thenewcamera.com/breaking-news-canon-open-rf-lens-mount-for-third-party-lens-makers/

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

When I had a Canon DSLR {APS-C}, my one non-Canon lens was a Sigma 10-20mm lens. When I switched to Pentax, I was thrilled to discover that the same lens was available in K-mount. Not necessarily talking about top-of-the-line lenses, there will always be room for lenses made by the third-party companies. Only the foolish companies will try to ‘hog’ the whole thing for themselves.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I shoot a Canon R5 and still use some Canon EF lenses with the adapter. You said you are not a professional so it would stand to reason that you don't need the overpriced RF glass that Canon has developed for its mirrorless camera systems. Maybe there is another way to look at this, as people move into the RF glass a lot of really good EF L glass will come onto the used market that you can pick up at a steep discount.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

As photographic equipment becomes more and more a niche market, I would expect all of the major manufacturers to take steps to make sure they serve as much as possible of their part of that market themselves. The good news is that they are fighting that battle, not just closing up shop and giving up completely. If it came right down to it, would you rather lose Tamron or Sigma, or would you rather lose Canon?