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Sep 5, 2022 07:57:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. ... (show quote)


Let's see:
RF800mm $999.00
RF600mm $799.00
RF 100-400mm $649.00
RF 16mm $299.00
RF 24-105mm $399.00
RF 35mm Macro $499.00
RF 50mm f1.8 $199.00
RFS 18-150mm $499.00
RFS 18-45mm $299.00
RF 15-30mm $549.00
RF 24mm Macro $599.00

Virtually all these lenses are cheaper than any Canon R camera.
Canon has provided a full range of focal lengths from 16mm to 800mm.
I know of no such range by Nikon or Sony designed for amateurs.
Also if you look true casual amateurs buy the kit and nothing more or perhaps one other lens.
If you get serious you will be able to buy more expensive lenses because you save or budget for the best available.
There are several other RF lenses that are in the 500-700 range.
If you are a Sony/Nikon user and want an 800mm lens (With AF and IS) by any maker you will spend more than $1K easily.
This "Lack of lenses is propaganda put out by Sony/Nikon fanboys.
Canon has 29 RF lenses currently and more coming. How many real pros (Not collectors) have that many lenses?
Then dozens of 100% compatible EF lenses and now R, FL and FD lenses that is another huge range of manual lenses, think Viltrox, Samyang and other Chinese/Korean manual lenses that are also manual so no gain and the FD/FL/R lens range and types is stunning. Want a 50/58mm f1.2? some amazing FD/FL lenses at amazing prices and as good or better than any independent lens available, in fact some are superior to Leitz lenses. Want an f0.95 lens, Canon has it if you want it.

So again, tell me how amateurs are being screwed?
I would never own all the range of lenses listed above in my wildest dreams.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:07:24   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
You can still get a lot of EF mount lenses - so just buy an adapter.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:09:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
camerapapi wrote:
"I've never understood the desire to put third-party glass on a top-of-the-line camera."

Bob you know already I agree with you. I prefer the lenses made by the camera manufacturer but I am sure you have nothing against using a Zeiss lens on a Nikon body. Remember when Nikon rangefinders could be fit with Leica lenses?
Many buying third party lenses do it because it is more economical than buying OEM. In a majority of cases those lenses offer very good quality for the price paid. There are cases of incompatibility and it depends on the manufacturer of the third party lens if that can be resolved or not.

A lens manufactured by the camera maker has been specifically made for the camera and performs to perfection even for cameras made in the future.
"I've never understood the desire to put thir... (show quote)


If your F lenses has the screw drive it will not function.
Nikon and others have a lengthy score cards of what is incompatible and what is with your camera.
So bottom line there are many Nikon lenses not fully compatible with your camera.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:19:38   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
rmalarz wrote:
I've never understood the desire to put third-party glass on a top-of-the-line camera. I believe the Nikon D850 has an articulating screen.
--Bob


Not a fully articulating screen.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:27:31   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
rmalarz wrote:
I've never understood the desire to put third-party glass on a top-of-the-line camera. I believe the Nikon D850 has an articulating screen.
--Bob


While I've never understood the refusal to do so.
Sometimes third party glass are better quality than OEM offerings, more commonly it just has a better price/performance ratio.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:30:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. ... (show quote)


Canon is not in the business of making cameras. It is in the business of making money - just like every other company.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:31:01   #
bimo1
 
Fellows,
If you owned ne of those company, you will have the same attitude.
So let move on like one of this fellow said, a lot of photography in front of us until Jesus come back, stop crying and go with the world, even we are not from it but we have to live in it - Have a Blessed and wonderful day plus ther will be Pro Football this Thursday night, what a great country still. Be Blessed guys.

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Sep 5, 2022 08:31:11   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
petrochemist wrote:
While I've never understood the refusal to do so.
Sometimes third party glass are better quality than OEM offerings, more commonly it just has a better price/performance ratio.



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Sep 5, 2022 08:37:52   #
BebuLamar
 
petrochemist wrote:
While I've never understood the refusal to do so.
Sometimes third party glass are better quality than OEM offerings, more commonly it just has a better price/performance ratio.


How about third party body?

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Sep 5, 2022 08:57:54   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BebuLamar wrote:
How about third party body?



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Sep 5, 2022 09:04:50   #
BebuLamar
 
In fact when people buy third party lenses or third party batteries they are saying the camera manufacturers are screwing them already. Camera manufacturers certainly can make and sell lenses for the same price as the third party but they don't. The want more money for their products. So the fact that Canon do not allow third party to make lenses for their cameras isn't any different.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:08:51   #
george19
 
With a new product genre with unknown demand, like personal computers in 1985, it sure looks like open source and competition was the way to go.

Apple held on, finally hitting its stride with iPod and iPhone, but that took about 20 years.

Lens configuration on an established product like a camera? Canon will figure it out soon enough. Maybe exclusivity will work, maybe not…but I doubt they’ll lose customers with established glass over this, and the price point on the new product will remain high because of low volume.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:09:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BebuLamar wrote:
In fact when people buy third party lenses or third party batteries they are saying the camera manufacturers are screwing them already. Camera manufacturers certainly can make and sell lenses for the same price as the third party but they don't. The want more money for their products. So the fact that Canon do not allow third party to make lenses for their cameras isn't any different.


Canon sells them for less than 3rd party lenses.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:11:26   #
BebuLamar
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Canon sells them for less than 3rd party lenses.


Well may be I didn't use the right word. As someone here said Canon doesn't offer the same value/price ratio. But that is what they think then Canon already screwed them when they allow third party to make and sell lenses.

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Sep 5, 2022 09:12:39   #
bobbydvideo
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I just read that Nikon has released a open standard and that is why Tamron is going to make Z lenses and I suppose that Sigma will also. I was really surprised that Canon would take this extreme measure because of the very limited market now. Canon RF lenses are overly expensive. I have some good EF glass, but since the RF glass is so expensive, I have held off. I do not want to support a company that is keeping the prices so high.


They are overly expensive but the best out there.

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