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Canon's Killing off Third-Party RF Glass - Sigma & Tamron unlikely. What do you Canon R users think about this?
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Aug 30, 2022 23:41:58   #
Canisdirus
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think almost all camera manufacturers want to do it but whether or not they have the legal right to do it.


Sony did the opposite...they made their camera bodies chameleons and encouraged third party lenses and adapters.

It was a different approach that probably only works for a start up corp.


It would indicate that Canon is not selling enough bodies to their liking...and see protecting their lens profits more important than ever.

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Aug 31, 2022 00:17:12   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
ncribble wrote:
I believe that many manufactures are trying to distance themselves from China. Viltrox and Tokina are Chinese Companies they may well be part of the separation. Buy. where you prefer, I choose not to knowingly buy from China. Too Each His Own!

Tokina is not a Chinese company. They were founded in Japan in the 1950s and still remain there.

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Aug 31, 2022 10:14:03   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
I was just complaining that Nikon was doing the same thing, then I see this:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1725292-REG/tamron_70_300.html
It's a "notify when available" listing for a Tamron 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3 Z mount lens. Matt Irwin picked up on it and is speculating that all the Tamron Sony E mount glass will be made in Z mount. Like the Op, Matt believes Canon is making a mistake.

Anyway, my apologies to Nikon and Tamron for slamming them and I hope Sigma joins in.

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Aug 31, 2022 10:42:50   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
47greyfox wrote:


There are some bikes that try to look like a Harley but sounding like one is something else. I don’t know if it ever came about but years ago HD tried to copyright the distinctive Harley exhaust note produced by the 43 degree single crank pin engine. There have been numerous Japanese bikes with V twins at various cylinder angles, some with a single crank pin and others with dual crank pins set at odd angles to each other in an attempt to get the Harley sound without using the same engine configuration. One even used a 90 degree v twin and a dual pin crank that I believe was set at 47 degrees attempting to get the same sequence of exhaust pulses.

In the business world, if something sells there will be imitators. Always has been, always will be. Using a 3rd party lens is no different than buying aftermarket performance parts for your GM 350 engine. And you can literally build a 350 using nothing but aftermarket parts. I know a fellow that builds 1200hp high performance “Chevy “ engines for pulling trucks. And unless there is a random GM bolt that got thrown in, there isn’t a single genuine GM part in these clone engines. But anyone that knows engines will recognize it as a Chevy engine based upon outward appearances.

If Canon prevents 3rd party lens makers from using their “chips”, I suspect someone will design a chip that can translate between their chip at the camera’s chip. If Canon tries to prevent them from manufacturing their lens mount, first off patents eventually expire. And I doubt Canon could prevent someone from building an adapter much like the old “T” mount adapters.

John Deere had a crappy engine they put in some of their really big tractors, which failed in most instances, turning the tractor into a $300,000 paperweight. You can buy adapter plates that let you install Cat or Cummins engines in those tractors. If making an adapter violated some copyright law, I’m sure JD would have put a stop to that ages ago, which they never have.

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Aug 31, 2022 12:25:57   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
I strongly suspect that Canon has done two things.

First - make the data communication between the camera and lens restrictive. This means that the camera always queries the lens for an ID and the lens has to respond with something acceptable if queried for an ID.

Second - decline 3rd party lens mfrs. requests for an acceptable ID allocated to them.

Without an acceptable ID the lens won’t work; copying an existing ID is a copyright violation that can be enjoined.

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Aug 31, 2022 12:51:45   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Strodav wrote:
I was just complaining that Nikon was doing the same thing, then I see this:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1725292-REG/tamron_70_300.html
It's a "notify when available" listing for a Tamron 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3 Z mount lens. Matt Irwin picked up on it and is speculating that all the Tamron Sony E mount glass will be made in Z mount. Like the Op, Matt believes Canon is making a mistake.

Anyway, my apologies to Nikon and Tamron for slamming them and I hope Sigma joins in.
I was just complaining that Nikon was doing the sa... (show quote)


Just like all the others on here that make comments with no knowledge of any facts. All of this is rumor my friend. As I said, it is what it is. Stop whining and go out and use the equipment you do have. Wait for official announcements to guess what's coming!

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Aug 31, 2022 13:13:08   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
cjc2 wrote:
Just like all the others on here that make comments with no knowledge of any facts. All of this is rumor my friend. As I said, it is what it is. Stop whining and go out and use the equipment you do have. Wait for official announcements to guess what's coming!


Here are the facts. The official announcement from Tamron was yesterday, August 30, 2022:
https://tamron-usa.com/news/2022/70300_a047_develop_aug.html

Here is Matt Irwin's take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJMa-4jmKqE

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Aug 31, 2022 13:22:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The UHH hen house is clucking today ...

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Aug 31, 2022 13:31:28   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
User ID wrote:
Yes if only in the sense that noncoupled lenses are much easier to use with an EVF than with an SLR so that part of the market has obligingly expanded.

When it comes to coupled lenses, things havent changed much over the decades, concerning variety and proliferation.


Thanks very much! It makes sense.

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Aug 31, 2022 13:32:36   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The UHH hen house is clucking today ...


But, are they laying any eggs?

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Aug 31, 2022 13:49:09   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Strodav wrote:
Here are the facts. The official announcement from Tamron was yesterday, August 30, 2022:
https://tamron-usa.com/news/2022/70300_a047_develop_aug.html

Here is Matt Irwin's take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJMa-4jmKqE


The "facts" I know as I read them on NikonRumors. Mr, Irwin's "TAKE" is something I don't care about, because it is a "take" and not a fact. You sir, followed "takes" and made them out to be absolutely true. You apologized because you were wrong. 1. I could care less about what Canon does as I shoot Nikon. That does NOT mean I don't respect Canon as a brand. 2. It is what it is! Again, please go out and use what you already own. Experience will make you better. That's what photography is about. It's not about brands and what if. Best of luck

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Aug 31, 2022 13:57:41   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
LFingar wrote:
That video is as much speculation as fact. It all revolves around "without Canon's approval". No mention is made as to why Canon has rescinded approval or if approval will be granted in the future. Of course, the old 'profits' bugaboo is always drug out as if that automatically explains everything. Well, it probably does for people who don't want to bother waiting for the whole story to emerge or who can't be bothered to do some research. Canon is not stupid. An outright, permanent ban on 3rd party lenses, especially Sigma and Tamron, would end up hurting sales of R series cameras. There is more to this story then what has been presented so far. Count on it.
That video is as much speculation as fact. It all ... (show quote)



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Aug 31, 2022 15:01:39   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Here is an article from Digital Camera World on it:
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-rf-lenses-are-being-pulled-from-sale-but-why?utm_source=SmartBrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=75AC6D4F-39F0-41CB-A47C-7C5D939AC64B&utm_content=3094266E-22B5-4430-8C8E-2C1A37723D74&utm_term=d1539057-26cc-48ac-94c1-46b249136c8f

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Aug 31, 2022 15:13:59   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
cjc2 wrote:
The "facts" I know as I read them on NikonRumors. Mr, Irwin's "TAKE" is something I don't care about, because it is a "take" and not a fact. You sir, followed "takes" and made them out to be absolutely true. You apologized because you were wrong. 1. I could care less about what Canon does as I shoot Nikon. That does NOT mean I don't respect Canon as a brand. 2. It is what it is! Again, please go out and use what you already own. Experience will make you better. That's what photography is about. It's not about brands and what if. Best of luck
The "facts" I know as I read them on Nik... (show quote)


You might want to think about cutting back on the caffeine.

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Aug 31, 2022 16:31:06   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Strodav wrote:
You might want to think about cutting back on the caffeine.


I usually say, have you considered decaf.

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