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Canon's Killing off Third-Party RF Glass - Sigma & Tamron unlikely. What do you Canon R users think about this?
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Sep 2, 2022 23:28:33   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
LFingar wrote:
That video is as much speculation as fact. It all revolves around "without Canon's approval". No mention is made as to why Canon has rescinded approval or if approval will be granted in the future. Of course, the old 'profits' bugaboo is always drug out as if that automatically explains everything. Well, it probably does for people who don't want to bother waiting for the whole story to emerge or who can't be bothered to do some research. Canon is not stupid. An outright, permanent ban on 3rd party lenses, especially Sigma and Tamron, would end up hurting sales of R series cameras. There is more to this story then what has been presented so far. Count on it.
That video is as much speculation as fact. It all ... (show quote)


It could also be a less informed user base trying to get support with non-factory equipment.

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Sep 3, 2022 08:28:52   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
Sony did the opposite...they made their camera bodies chameleons and encouraged third party lenses and adapters.

It was a different approach that probably only works for a start up corp.


It would indicate that Canon is not selling enough bodies to their liking...and see protecting their lens profits more important than ever.

What a BRILLIANT business mind !!!

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Sep 3, 2022 09:28:44   #
Canisdirus
 
User ID wrote:
What a BRILLIANT business mind !!!


Not difficult to parse out...for some of us.

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Sep 3, 2022 09:42:51   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
Not difficult to parse out...for some of us.

You clearly traffic amongst the elites ... waaaaaaaay beyond the crudely basic "buy low, sell high" bidnez model.

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Sep 3, 2022 10:12:53   #
Canisdirus
 
User ID wrote:
You clearly traffic amongst the elites ... waaaaaaaay beyond the crudely basic "buy low, sell high" bidnez model.


I have no idea what you are trying to say...probably because you don't either.

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Sep 5, 2022 12:15:47   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
I have no idea what you are trying to say...probably because you don't either.

You know exactly what I said.

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Sep 5, 2022 14:16:58   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Sony did the opposite...they made their camera bodies chameleons and encouraged third party lenses and adapters.

It was a different approach that probably only works for a start up corp.


It would indicate that Canon is not selling enough bodies to their liking...and see protecting their lens profits more important than ever.


Other possibilities include a possible perception on Canon’s part that the 3rd party lenses were diminishing the overall quality perception of the system in consumer’s eyes. Possibility that something about the reverse engineering was going to collide with established future plans. Maybe Canon is considering a revamp of the lens camera communications that will require a major firmware update - that will orphan existing lenses. Or, perhaps still another lens mount, they’ve done that often enough.

Canon opened up its communications protocols so that it could grab a chunk of the pro cine business. Allowing 3rd party lenses on the still camera’s was a inevitable byproduct of that. Having the market share now perhaps they’re closing up things now. Just my thoughts - salt should be added to taste.

Going way back in the ‘50s Nikon was free with the engineering specs for the F mount. The result of that was a lot of scientific equipment had an F mount for a camera. In particular telescopes and extreme telephotos. It very much predominated then and is still a major player. It allowed for a faster expansion of available equipment for Nikon than otherwise would have been possible. It also allowed faster market penetration for Nikon’s scientific and commercial optics. Some of Nikon’s commercial optics wound up in the 3rd party lenses that were sold with an F mount. Sony’s philosophy then makes sense. Allowing free use of the mount and protocols expanded the selection of available lenses quicker than otherwise possible. I can argue that originally Nikon/Canon/Leitz were lens mfrs. that sold camera bodies to sell lenses. I also argue they still are. Kodak sold camera’s to sell more film, preferably at a steeper markup than standard 35mm film. Sony is in the same category as Kodak - they want to sell sensors. So to sell more sensors and to demonstrate directly their quality they sell camera bodies with their sensors built in. Lenses are simply a needed accessory as far as their concerned, one they need to insure that the quality of their product is perceived as what they want it to be seen as. Sony’s strategy makes sense.

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Sep 5, 2022 16:23:07   #
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gwilliams6 wrote:
Canon's Killing off Third-Party RF Glass - Sigma & Tamron unlikely. What do you Canon R users think about this?

Samyang and Viltrox have already pulled their RF lenses after Canon told them to stop selling RF lenses.

From Canon stalwart, "Ordinary Filmmaker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7gKnSnh4VM

I think its great. Simplifies everything.

Acoarst life will be a bit less entertaining without threads like, "Has anybody tried the Tamron 16-500 on a Canon R3 on an East African Safari tour" ?

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Sep 5, 2022 16:31:45   #
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LFingar wrote:
That video is as much speculation as fact. It all revolves around "without Canon's approval". No mention is made as to why Canon has rescinded approval or if approval will be granted in the future. Of course, the old 'profits' bugaboo is always drug out as if that automatically explains everything. Well, it probably does for people who don't want to bother waiting for the whole story to emerge or who can't be bothered to do some research. Canon is not stupid. An outright, permanent ban on 3rd party lenses, especially Sigma and Tamron, would end up hurting sales of R series cameras. There is more to this story then what has been presented so far. Count on it.
That video is as much speculation as fact. It all ... (show quote)

Amen. But thaz clearly too big a lump of solid reality for gwilliams6, plus a hoard of likeminded Hawgs, to swallow. Vapid click bait video is their prefered "reality".

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Sep 6, 2022 14:17:07   #
KenProspero
 
Is Nikon trying to increase market share at Canon's expense?

If I were buying a body today this would definately make me more likely to go Nikon vs Canon.

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Sep 6, 2022 14:52:45   #
Pumble
 
LLC wrote:
I look at it from different side.

Imagine that you cannot buy car parts anywhere except for dealer.


Um, you mean like all the electronics in the car (radio, GPS, navigation, installed camera(s), light assemblies, cat converters and all the other "dealer only" parts the notion seems to ignore?

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Sep 6, 2022 16:25:40   #
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Pumble wrote:
Um, you mean like all the electronics in the car (radio, GPS, navigation, installed camera(s), light assemblies, cat converters and all the other "dealer only" parts the notion seems to ignore?

Okay. Its clear that you mean shutter assemblies, EVF screens, sensor stacks, IBIS components and stuff like that.

I would much rather buy that stuff from Tamron or Viltrox. Surely its some trade law violation that camera companies are the sole supplier for such chatzkes !!!

Why cant Sigma sell me a better EVF or faster shutter (some assembly required) or whatever my little heart desires ?

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